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How exciting for a new thread - two FESHspring due shortly!

Well the swaddling worked and we both had a nap. Woke up at 3ish. He then fed for an hour, then finished, was grizzly for half an hour and so I offered him more food and he stuffed his face for another 40mins. Since then he was quite content for awhile then kicked off, turns out was dirty bum. Fixed that problem, still more wailing even when held!

Cure more tears (from me) down the phone to HI as feeling very low but had to hang up cos MB getting his knickers in a real twist.

Resorted back to swaddling but kept escaping and the white noise was doing Sweet FA. So have swaddled tighter (folded the blanket in half so not as much material and more comfy for MB) and lo and behold ASLEEP. YES ASLEEP with white noise. He looks like a trussed up chicken, though he does have one toe sticking out?!

I do worry about him overheating but he has his nappy and a vest on and we have a temp guage in the room so he should be ok. Will try and keep the bedroom a bit cooler as it can get a bit warm eg 21/22 degrees. The lounge is 20.5 at the mo, will try and cool the room if it creeps up any more.

I will try this method tonight. Might even get some sleep if it works.

Going to grab some dinner while I can and take some meds and paracetamol as got painful boobs and my nose has split open from the constant blowing.

CurlySue only just seen your post in t'other place. I can't get all of t'other place features when viewing on my phone. Am on laptop at mo, hence have seen it. Hope you are ok. Some of what you have said I can identify with and will post back there.

Muse CO is my next thing. As are the dummies which I MUST sterilise before bed. Is it absolutely mandatory that the dummies are handled after sterilisation by tongs? Eg if there is water in the teats you have to use tongs? Anyone??

moo You were asking about a white noise thing - this is Ewan/Shaun, Bear's sleep pal/punch bag. www.allbabyneeds.co.uk/Shop/ewan-the-dream-sheep-baby-sleep-aid-by-easidream/prod_1773.html

silv I really would recommend if he's crying to put him away in another room with a baby-monitor on. Of course you'll still hear him, but it doesn't go "through" you like it does if he's in the same room. It's like a baby crying on telly - you can switch off for a while. Wrt dummies, we whack ours through the steriliser once a day. JB would put them in the steriliser after dropping them on the floor, but had no qualms about "cleaning" them using his filthy chops. Bear is as strong as an ox though and on french-kissing terms with little dog these days.

Btw FESHes - Boden is having a sale if any of you are thinking of nice little things for the little people.

Glad the swaddling seems to be helping Silv and I would not worry about using tongs. And believe me, Peppa is left to cry far more than mini C was and it hasn't done her any harm (yet).

Cas sorry you are having a ropey time. I always think just as soon as you think you have cracked it and routine is running nicely then something changes and you have to adjust it. But it is shit the waking in the night thing once you are used to it not happening. Deep breathes. I have learnt that these little regressions happen sometimes for no apparent reason (and during obvious times like teething etc) but I have also come to appreciate the phrase "it is just a phase" despite it winding me up and that business as usual does eventually return.

I have had a shit day too which moo can vouch for having met up for a coffee which thanks to mini c was a disaster. Grumpy, grumpy contrary little sod he was today. Considered banging him in nursery for 5 days a week although would need to win lottery first. Anyway, both children are asleep and I have a large glass of wine and pizza on the way so all good now.

Right, off to buy some Boden garish coats ...

Okie The most garish one is less than half price. Knock yourself out!

I assume you mean this one alps which I have already (Joke)

That's the one Okie , but I can't help feeling it'd suit you better in orange & turquoise!

Btw, does anyone else have an Indigo Baybee? There is no other plausible explanation as to how he knows that mummy has poured expensive bubbles in the bath and just lain down... No possible way he could know unless he's psychadelic.

silver I'm glad the swaddling is helping... good luck for tonight. If the no sleep continues though you must speak to a HV - you sound really ill and exhausted. Feel for you, because I feel bad enough as it is!

Poor curly I hope this teething improves soon - it sounds like a terrible phase particularly when you are so far down the road of sleeping through... it won't last long surely?

As for us, we have had the all clear on bloods today and so little one just has the cardiologist and jaundice clinic outpatient appointments at some point in the next few weeks. I'm feeling a bit less panicky about it today - heart murmurs are really common and don't normally present any problem at all... they tend to correct themselves really quickly. He's back to normal eating and sleeping and grizzling now too! MW weighed him today and he's up to 13lbs now little monkey. So that sleepy day must have been him just growing. I can't believe he's now jumped up a centile to 99%.

I've discovered that he prefers sleeping on his side. He's definitely more windy of late and last night we had a few hours of crying and some screaming mainly because he had wind and was overly tired. Eventually when we did get him to settle I put him on his side and he didn't even open his eyes like normal. Have tried it since then and it does seem to work well. Long may that continue...

We went out all of THREE times today - yes three!! I am officially a mobile mummy. Bit of a PITA getting the buggy into the car and out again but he is too heavy for me to cart the car seat around everywhere. Feel much more confident getting out and about and he was fab and mainly slept... I also got my boobs out again which is feeling a bit less terrifying each time. People do look but fuck them really. I mean I've bared more flesh than that on the beach so feeding my son shouldn't be so traumatic really should it.

Mr Moo has bathed the dog, we've had nice steak and wine and now going to tuck into homemade mince pies. There is life after sleep deprivation it seems...

OMG that coat is absolutely disgusting!

Curls so sorry to hear you've been through it lately - have just replied in t'other place.

Moo how is BabyMoo today? So sorry to hear of your trip to the doctors and hospital but glad you trusted your instincts. I hope you've had a better day of it today.

Silv sorry to hear about the mastitis and lack of sleep. I hope the swaddling is still helping and you manage to get some decent kip tonight. We used to swaddle Boo in a cot flat sheet as our house is vey warm too. I used to wrap her really tight but leave a little lip at the back of the head so that when I put her down she didn't feel the cold of the sheet - really seemed to work with her, but of course they are all different.

Right, as it is Friday I think drinks all round - I am fancying a glass of port. Chin chin!

Moo you could get adaptors for the car seat so it fits on your Bug wheels which could be handy for little trips to Waitrose and for coffee rather than hauling the whole thing around.

polly I am liking that tip for the flat sheet, I usually put him to bed in a baby vest and a folded over flannelette sheet so I could use that eh?! Brilliant! I've gone up and opened the bedroom window so that should cool it down in there. I am using a swaddle blanket at the mo by Swaddle Designs, got it for a tenner in Boots. MB is currently snoring in his bouncer whilst restrained all snuggled up in it.

Moo I will see how tonight goes, once I have used all my weaponry and if its still crap I'll call the HV or the Samaritans, depends what time of day I crack up! I've seen these things online for BFing in public - Mama slings or summat. Check em out, I am thinking of one cos a) I will get out and about soon and b) it leaves you with both hands free to get boob out and pick up child whereas with a muslin its a pain, and I find I need help as I cant even get me bra done back up discreetly and hold a muslin at the same time.

I've achieved shit all today, apart from getting MB to nap in the day. Frigging miracle.

Moo Mama scarf ackshalleeeeee

Sorry Moo, x-post. So glad you had a better day.

Fanks for tip Silv

Hey pollster!! Sorry I never post in pesh land any more. I misses you all. Hurry up and have your baybees pleeze.

Tomorrow Xmas tree mission.

Oooh pass the port Polly - will go well with with lovely piece of stilton nomnomnom

You sound much more upbeat about the murmur thing Moo. Agree with opinion that they sort themselves out as LC has something similar - she was a guinea-pig for a MenB vaccine and they heard a murmur and wouldn't jab her until I had it checked out. Turned out to be because she had a bit of a sniffle and disappeared a week later. Hadn't given it another thought until you mentioned it but was at the docs today (ear infection) & the GP didn't hear anything unusual so must have gone.

Silv - can you get MIL onto cleaning duties.....give her something constuctive to do. Or perhaps there is someone else (family? friend?) you can enlist - will make you feel so much better.

Silv if all you achieve in one day is getting MB to nap then that is OK. Are you seeing your NCT lot? I strongly believe seeing your peer group can help as I sure they will also have some excellent tips and tactics too.

Moo we also wil buy a Christmas Tree today. I wanted it to be a family outing but all four of us plus tree will not fit in the car. Wondering if I enlist assistance of mini C to decorate but I although I think it is somewhat an idealistic view and it would be a complete disaster. Hmmm, think decorate tree, with glass of mulled wine and X factor on would be better idea.

Peppa projectile vomitted all her early morning feed all over me this morning.

NCT call is a good one... we have a group email going so that people can rant as and when needed. The lsat girl only just had her baby yesterday so will be nice to meet up with all of them now. Funny as babymoo will be exactly double the size of the latest addition... 4 weeks is a lifetime!

We had crapnight.com. Babymoo was angel all evening and last feed and going down to sleep at 11. Then at 1.30 Mr Moo woke me as had started crying grizzle. Picked him up to feed and he just fussed non stop. This segued into full on screaming for about an hour and a half. Finally passed out with extreme fatigue at around 3. Bleeding hell. I'm PRAYING that this is something I've eaten (would half a giant slab of Dairy Milk do it? Seriously?) and not a new phase. He's only done this twice so it isn't a regular occurrence ... yet. I was hurriedly reading my babybook as he screamed and Mr Moo took him and it says colic starts at 3 weeks and peaks at 6... Tiger in the tree and lying across my lap eventually calmed him. Then we had in bed feeding at 5 and then again at 7 and then we all slept in until 930 for another feed. Now he is passed out - thank god. Bizarrely I don't feel that bad.

okie I think fantasy christmas tree dressing - (i.e. perfect family with mulled wine, no arguing or breaking of baubles) is an illusion. Get the tree, open a bottle and banish kids, dogs or argumentative partners from the room. This year I wanna ten footer. Sorry but I cannot do small trees, they annoy me. It's got to be a nordic monster. Mr Moo informed me that real trees could be dangerous for the dog. WTF? I got projectile yesterday morning - my fault for not thoroughly winding.

Clucks am definitely feeling happier. I know that Babymoo is fine. He is growing and happy and bonny. I think the murmur as you say is a newborn thing and I am not going to worry about it. They got us in such a state when he was born with the heart rate thing, and it turned out to be nothing to worry about and they let us go. I think the follow up for this is very much procedure. They don't take any risks with babies, to the point of being over cautious, which is obviously good but means you do have to go through the mill a bit when they suspect anything at all. I have so much gratitude for the NHS though, Babymoo has been so well looked after since he was born.

Mr Moo has been upstairs hiding in the study on FB. Under the pretence of keeping the dog out of my way. Just went up there and dumped fed and tired baby on him. Ha.

oh dear more screaming for an hour. uh oh.

tried infacol and sling now asleep on me. afraid to move.

whats the difference between colic and reflux? I suspect it is wind related as not same time of day and for example last night he fell asleep at 11pm on my boob and I put him down unwinded. He then woke up screaming at 1.30 so must be wind. What would you do in this situation - wake him up always to wind??

Reflux is basically heartburn, it's when the stomach acids come back up the oesophagus (sp??). Colic is just a catch all name for a screamy baby - I think official definition is 3hrs screaming every day or something, but a lot of people think it's connected to wind.

If he falls asleep on my boob I just put him down - tbh if he's woken up screaming at 1.30, I would have assumed hunger rather than wind probably (although hard to say without witnessing the screaming). Do you wind in the middle of a feed? that always helps. It does mean enduring some screaming while you wind them though as they don't seem to appreciate having their food source removed mid feed

Personally I would always wind before putting down, although because Rastus sleeps on his tum he can wind himself quite successfully by just wiggling about a bit. However, it's a good idea to have him slightly awake when you put him down so that he learns to self-settle. He doesn't have to be wide awake, but just enough so he gets used to nodding off in the crib rather than on you...

Pls not to laugh but....what is projectile vomiting? Is it just forceful vomiting rather than the out-of-mouth dribble, or does it imply proper distance? Clint threw up his first feed this morning, a whole lake of it in our bed, and I could feel his stomach muscles forcing each gush out. He just pooed all out the side of his nappy, down his leg and, as TSF picked him off me, it dripped onto me. Nice. Poor little chap.

Moo sorry you had a bad night. Please feel free to ignore me but is there any mileage to leaving babymoo to grizzle a bit? - I only suggest cos I know in the early days we were too hasty at picking T up but now we have got lazier at night and quite often he nods back off.

Hi all,

Silv I hope you are feeling better. Sounds like a really tough few days. We're swaddling too at night and it is really brilliant. I bought a square of jersey cotton (T-shirt material basically) and we looked up videos on You tube of how to do it. We can get a pretty secure swaddle though baby houdini does sometimes find a way out by morning. I would recommend checking out some of the videos for help, though admittedly a lot of them are on a doll, so a bit easier than a real baby!

I've been going through some feeding issues too - oversupply related basically I think. We had several really hard days of fighting and gagging and crying at every feed - which I think was wind from all the gulping and choking. Anyway, I have been trying an elevated feedling position suggested on kellymom and things have got much calmer.

Missy isn't a bad little sleeper and we have had a few blissful nights with just one wake up. I am hoping it might become more regular.
Okie is you have tips, let's hear them!

Moo, so glad that your baby is gaining weight and thriving. Sounds like he is doing really well and the heart thing is nothing to worry about.

Thanks for the tips all. Today has been hideous... and after last night, not great. He has been screaming periodically throughout the day. Mr M is upstairs now having taken over from a sobbing me. Feels like we are going backwards massively. We do leave him grizzle VAG, but not once it breaks into crying/screaming... which feels like all day.

Right now I think he's massively overtired just like me. I think I might go and move in with Silver.

PS I tried putting him on his tum, he can turn his head and he did successfully fart and burp on his own but starting crying again and I'm not brave enough to leave him like that just yet... How old was Rastus when you first put him down like that Cunty?

Two days. He could lift his head from the off, and i was never really concerned about the risks. Personally i think if you have a new mattress, clean crib sheets, don't smoke and have a well ventilated room the risk is negligible. And besides, he would not sleep soundly on his back. He spent the first 4 weeks sleeping on my chest anyway :-)

VAG what you describe I would class as projectile i.e goes some distance and it is basically the entire contents of what he/she has eaten. I am often suprised at the quantity that comes out!

Moo sorry you are having a shit time. I am not sure what to say. Peppa screams but it tends to be either when she is hungry or tired or has a windy pain. I always stop to wind 5 mins into a feed and always before I put her down at the end. If she is asleep(and I reckon most can) shr can still burp and as Cunty says it is wise to put them down not quite fully asleep for self settling purposes. If she hasn't burped within five mins of trying (she is usually in that "Milk Drunk" state) then I pop her in her basket.