Dec 08 Ladies - Waiting for BabyLady & the usual grumpy tots with stinky bots

[DeidreBarlow]

Hope this is ok...

Lady what day are your family memebers coming over to help? We are trying to figure out which day we could come up for dh to do a bit more of your bathroom but don't want to over crowd you by coming on the same day. I'd be just child minding again as ds is not exactly great with no attention at the moment, but if it doesn't work out we can think of another plan. Glad you have realised you need to take it easy! I had what sounds like those pains but was told it was the position of the baby or possible rib spreading? Anyway, can happily report it went away the minute she popped out (then the codeine wore off and the shoulder ached again!) You should be getting excited now since its so close but I know you are fretting about the house -please don't it will all work out. Most of what you have to do is fiddly little stuff. It's almost there. Is your day filled to the brim in London on Wednesday?
Yeah on the ds tantrum thing - I have been researching online (of course) and your book sounds pretty spot on. I'm always sure not to do any of those things (giving in etc) but I get most concerned that I can't just pick him up when he throws himself flat on the floor and carry him out to remove him from the situation especially with dd in tow if I'm alone. I will make darn sure though that I don't attempt any such errands when he is either hungry or tired or both (heaven help me) like I did yesterday.

Happy birthday Mr Veg.

Invis thanks for that - good to know that I'm not alone and others have had similar experiences.
Right off to drug up for the shoulder.... have had a hot bath which has slightly helped.

Rubes, that is so kind. I think they are coming on Sat, and I know you are busy that day I feel awful to prevail on your time again, but basically, Wed is out as I have to see the consultant and get bloods done and all that - it isn't all booked up yet, no, though there are people I ought to try to see but I may have to give that a miss. Tues I am stuck at DP's flat all day dealing with the access the outdoor painters need, so I am going to house alone Mon, and possibly Thurs and Fri, though am super tempted to go to Mum's for those days and come back down with my sister. I guess apart from those two days there is next Sun or Mon...I worry though as despite your DP being a carpentry genius, I am painfully aware he works hard and the two of you have a lot on at the moment!

Lady - Hmmm ok I will chat to dh now and text you in a bit about this week!

Evening ladies. Lady not long now and I'm sorry 'not long now' may be too soon too sort out moving in. Believe me though despite the logistics of sorting it all with 2 children might be tricky, having extra energy will be a bonus. And you WILL feel a lot better, I bet you can't remember not feeling so crap.

Pubes, I'm sorry I really didn't acknowledge you telling me the parcel had arrived. I'm glad DS liked his pressie too, it was just a little token gift so he didn't feel left out. Kids love them I've found, both my boys have one each. I'm hoping Summer gets her parcel soon, I also sent a wedding present to friends I'm Oxford who got married the same day as our friends in
Belfast so we couldn't go. I always get nervous about sending parcels from here as the postal service is so bad.

Well we finally commited to our new phones, after much 2ing & ground between the iPhone & android phones (I'm think it's a phone but it could be a robot). We have decided on the HTC Desire. We made the sales guys day by walking in & signing up to a much higher package than we'd meant to. However, the good thing was we get the phones for free but although we are on a 2year contract we can drop back to or move up to a different bundle package after 3 months, which I think is a good deal. We still have to be approved, apparently because we're not 'lorcal peepol' we have to prove we are staying in the Netherlands. So DH has to email them his work contract and then they will let us have the phones.

It is Princess day on Tuesday, so there were all sorts of goings on in town including lots of street performers which freak DS1 out no end, & now apparently DS2 as well. We got caught up in some so had to escape into a subway restaurant and ended up having lunch there. Whilst there, Kiwi's Dutch identical twin walked in! Was quite freaky really as I got had to triple take but def looked just like our Kiwi.

Yes Lady it's is that Chris Morris movie.

Hi again, hope it was a good weekend for all, the snotty ones got better (Beans) as well as the sleepers (Spot)

Re: the independence thing, we let DS2 have it when I can (quiet streets, parks, occasionally in shops) and now when I ask him to hold my hand he does it willingly most of the time (which is amazing, as he went through a phas of shouting "NO" very loudly)

With DS1 who was a little more headsrtong, we got this www.toysbythebundle.co.uk/kids-leash-backpack---monkey-harness-buddy-stroll-along-rucksack-9431-p.asp :- he loved that and used to actively ask to wear it.

As for TV dinners, we do this often at weekends as we have family meals at other times. Sometimes we have pyjama mornings too, I dont think there is anything wrong with that. The best finger/TV food I have for both of them is american pancakes which can be sweet or savoury and which they both love :) Let me know if you want the recipie !

DB how are things going with your DH now ?

I have started planning for Xmas which makes me feel a bit sad somehow. But then I am also planning a halloween party as well so its just the upcoming stuff. Our toys really need a clearout before 2X birthdays and Xmas. Does anyone else find it hard to get rid of toys ?

Lady, glad to hear the house stuff is ongoing, even if it wont be ready in time. Your pregnancy seems to have whizzed by, for me, anyway, no doubt not for you !

SL, I could do the 1st oct - shall we set the date ?

Lady Four Lions is brilliant, you will laugh a lot but you will also cry. The actors are great esp the main guy. I'm not sure if anyone got upset by this film but I think those who would probably wouldn't watch it.

NJAN I have clear ours often but rarely throw much away mainly just broken stuff or baby things

Ooh, that's good, Veggie. I hope it comes soon. We keep getting the chaff that DP has ordered

Good to hear from you, NJAN! Actually, it has all gone quite fast for me too. DD was born at 38+5 or 6 so am a bit cheesed off that they are making me wait until 39+5! Can't imagine how people feel who go 40+++...I do feel a bit crapola after another rubbish night's sleep and general all round discomfort!

It looks like I am seeing the family Rubes again today, which is wonderful

And SYBS, how was your birthday on Friday?? Hope you did something lovely....Lots of love to you.

Hello!
veggie I got the parcel! Thanks sooo much. she is wearing the top, it is so cute, it fits but is slightly big at the mo, so perfect, should last a while! E loves his little pressie too, not used it for its intended purpose yet, just running around with it!!

njan hurrah to 1st Oct, let's do it. I have a HV appointment but I will move it. Shall message you and jj on facebook.

DH has gone back to work today, he has taken the car (not surprisingly as cycling would be a bit foolish) so I am feeling a bit sorry for myself as am starting to feel cumulatively sleep deprived and stuck in at home, and I think DH has taken my wallet to work in the changing bag which was in the boot of the car. I hope DS doesn't get too fed up with us doing nothing today!

On the good side, my Red Shoes are scheduled for delivery today so fingers xed they fit! The back up flat shoes didn't fit (they came in an earlier delivery), but I might try them in a bigger size in stored.

I shall put four lions on my love film list. It is looking a little sparse so any other suggestions welcome. It has avatar on it too, maybe I should take it off though I feel I should watch it given all the fuss!

veggie have you finished reading Girl that kicked the hornets nest yet? I did enjoy it but it's not as actioned packed as no 2.

NJAN - I'd like the recipe please...

Sorry not to do personals, but just wanted to check in.

Spot - we do TV meals here quite often as means she'll actually eat something. Am off to get coil fitted this morning and MIL coming to look after the littles. What a star!

Must go as have neglected DD1 terribly all morning. She has a new Pooshchar (her pronunciation!) and I must play with it with her!

xx

Oh yes, i would like recipe too Njan.

I reckon DS might eat pancakes.

Aaargh feeling very sorry for myself today have been kept up overnight by a painfully sore throat & DS2's continuous waking for 'mook mook'. Unfortunately I may have put the process back a bit because somewhere during the night in my half asleep state I started feeding him. He was quite cross when I woke up to what I had done and briskly took him off. The one ray of light is that while he protests a little he is giving up and settling back to sleep quicker.

DH slept in with DS1 because he is working onsite today with one if his new staff. The new guy is really nice and quite normal so I'm pleased because he seems to work with some quite strange people and he has been missing the camaraderie he used to have in the 2 companies he was with in the UK.

SL I'm glad you got the pressies and that they were well received. I really should get on and finish the 3rd book, I just wish it would hot up a bit again.

Gosh I hope you all like four lions now, for me it's the sort of British film making I like. So much more about thr characters than the plot, but using something that is very relevant to today but without trying to push any sort of 'mesage', just using it as a scene setter IYKWIM. I think your DP probably likes what my DH does Lady. I usually get to catch up on MN during those movies.

Keeping you company in the self-pity corner this morning, Veggie, T up every hour last night, has some kind of virus plus teething so v hot and cross little boy. And, consequently, hot cross mummy too.

Glad DH meeting some normal people, Veg, I think the sanity of workmates has a massive effect on how much you enjoy going in each day. I find myself fantasising about packing myself off to an office each day then remind myself I have to have another baby first.

Yes please from here too about the pancake recipe. And thanks to all those who are supporting my 'whatever it takes' Teletubbies meal schedule (or Lalapo as T calls it). Has gone un peu tits up thanks to illness but am at least hopeful that when he's better we can return to normal.

Rubes, I think I might be pushing it to come over on Weds with T full of virus (and your DH home and don't want to deprive you of fambly time) but how would next Tues suit you and any of the other potential visitors?

Beans, good luck with having your bits tinkered with, hope it's not too painful.

SL that sounds rubbish, your being trapped at home with no car and no money! Hope the weather's nice and you can get to a local park or summat!

Afternoon ladies

spot & veggie sorry to hear about the crap nights sleep. Hopefully tonight they might be more settled.

njan Lovely to hear from you, and I'm another who would love the pancake recipie. And things going very well with DH at the moment. We are both making more of an effort which is good.

Rubes sorry to hear of the tantrum I have no words of advice I can't control my own children!

Which leads me to my 'me' moan. Went to toddler group with DS this morning. First ofall he shoved one particulary boy flying (he does not get on with this boy and always ends up battling with him). Then he smacked another on the cheek. The mum of the boy DS shoved over said to me "Oh Harry has quite a reputation in our house...X is always saying mummy will harry be there?"(in a sad little voice). I didn't quite no what to asyand mumbled an apology about DS's behaviour. Then DS bit the little girl of a friend. When I say bit I mean skin broken, full teeth imprint purple welt on her arm. This little girl was screaming, it must have been so painful. I told DS and moved him to a corner. Hejust smiles and carries on, I have no idea what to do he just doesn't respond - I've tried saying'no', telling him off, taking toys away, I've even smacked him on the hand. I could feel all the other mums looking at DS and thinking 'what a little horror'. I was so upset I just burst into tears, I then walked home crying, and just feelso sad that my lovely little boy is a thug. I am not going to take him anywhere again until I feel he will be ready. I don't want other mums to dislike him, and they do/will. Please someone tell me where I am going wrong, I'm heartbroken over this. DD was never ever like this!

Hello everyone,

Sorry for the radio silence, I see from a quick catch up that trace was ready to send out a search party! Thanks Trace, I'm touched.

I've not been on for a while due to DD being poorly with a hugely high temp, then we had 2 weeks on holiday, and finally I had a brief hospitaliation to be rehydrated. My morning sickness got worse and worse on holiday, I vomited in almost every layby in Norfolk . The night before we came home I woke up in the middle of the night to be sick. Anyway, I've got some tablets and if I keep them down, it is managable but if not urgh... anyway, enough me me me.

DB You are doing nothing wrong at all. Please don't feel bad. You cannot do anymore than you are doing. I think taking him away and telling him off is all you can do. That's all I do if DD does something like that. It is a phase and he will grow out of it.

Avo I got measles whilst on holiday in Portugal as a child and I wasn't allowed to fly. Hopefully you'll avoid CP!

Re the pancakes. I make them for DD as a way of getting her to eat blueberries. She won't eat them raw but will happily pick them out of a cooked pancake. You add a sprinkle of them on top of the pancake when you put a blob in the pan.

Anyway, best get back to work. Did I miss anything major? I've only read the past 5 pages or so and I've missed about 3 weeks!

Gosh JB that's terrible. Did you have this last time, I remember Urbane did, but I'm sorry I can't remember you have it. Can you take the tablets as soon as you wake in the morning so as to try to catch it before you get nauseous, or do you wake up feeling sick?

Spot, DS2 has been sick too, I'm nervous because I'm worried it's going end up with one of us being sick every week from now until next spring!

DB you poor thing, we've had DS2 bashing about too. Yesterday he took to DS1 with a toy motorbike and he scratched him below the eye. In the end I got so flustered with him I locked him outside to cool off. I'm not sure it helped as he didn't seem to want to come back in. I read in a book once to give the beaten child loads of attention but really that just seemed to annoy more. I don't know.

We are having another all dayer here. DS2 refused to sleep when we went upstairs so he's going to have to stay up now. Will go for early dinner, bath & bed early. DS1 is off school as it's princess day tomorrow & all the schools are off for the start of the week.

Deirdre: you are doing something about it - you are sending a clear signal to him that this is not acceptable. Are there any specific triggers? Is he better in bigger or smaller groups? Please don't feel guilty about it - I guess it's another form of pushing boundaries like tantrums or eating or sleeping and we have all been there. It's just more public I suppose which is why you get a reaction ftom other patents. It was rather unpleasant of that other mum to pass on her son's comment. IMO at this age hitting/biting/screaming/refusing to listen are all similar behaviours. No reason to demonise a child for doing one rather than another.

Jolly: I'm sorry you're having to deal with awful morning sickness again. Do you have help on hand?

Urgh, feel awful today.... Unfortunately not at Lady's today as woke up feeling grim full of cold and sore throat (throat sore last night but thought it was just dry) apart from feeling shocking, would have hated to pass it on to Lady so close to her dd's birth so have spent the morning on the couch drugged up. DS hasn't stopped sneezing today either which is a bit of a worry, just hope dd stays well.
Feeling a bit sorry for myself today - can't even muster up the energy for some online shopping which I want to do.
Sorry to all the other sicko's / bad nights.
Spot no problem about Wed - not sure I'd be non-contagous myself! Next Tues I have to take dd for her 8 weeks jabs - is there any other day that might work for anyone?

Back to the couch for me.

sorry about your morn DB no advice unfortunately. ds isn't aggressive towards others - just has major tantrums. I'm hoping both our probs will pass. I do think it's a boy vs girl thing [hopes] and hopefully dd will be no trouble at all

rubes Sorry you are poorly. Lots of rest and hot lemon for you.

veggie I did have it last time unfortunately, and I thought at first things weren't as bad this time... I did that this morning veggie, I set my alarm an hour before getting up so I could take a tablet and then dose for another hour. That worked well so I'll keep doing that. I still feel on the verge of sickness a lot but the tablets stop most of the vomiting. DH is having the snip after this one though, I can't do this again.

What is Princess day about? Must be something special if the schools are closed!

Thanks effie, DH has been brilliant, he did everything with DD on holiday. I think he is more tired now than before we left.

jolly You poor thing, the morning sickness sounds shocking. I hope it improves lots.

rubes I hope you feel better soon, its even more draining being ill with small children about.

effie The children at this toddler group are children he sees a fair bit of. Some days he plays really well with them and then we have a shocker like we did today.

Oh and veggie DS refusing to sleep today too. So he has had to stay awake while we got DD from school.

And i have cystitis, so am feeling crap.

D: cystitis is nasty, so depressing and one of the illnesses not cured by gin. Boo.

Jolly: I think you are a star for even contemplating a second pregnancy having suffered first time round. Please take care of yourself. Being hospitalised sounds scary.

DB - don't you worry. It's such a cliche, but everything is a phase and he will grow out of it. ONe of our NCT mums smacks her little boy on the hand. Not hard, but enough for him to know it's wrong as he is quite demonstrative with pushing etc. And he has improved a lot. DD has often been on the receiving end of it, and while I don't like her getting it, I don't dislike the little boy for it. He is, after all, only a toddler and is learning the boundaries.

I've had the coil put in and I have horrible low down periody pains. It's not painful, but it's disgustingly achey. And I feel a bit sick knowing I've got it in there! They had to pin back my cervix to get it in. Grimness! Anyway, apparently this is all normal and will fade in the next day or so. MIL came down and was usual heroic self and ironed 8 shirts for DH. Man she's great!

DB - hope your cystitis goes soon. It is a horribl ehorrible thing!