FESH spa and creche: Is anyone thinking of the children yet?

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New Fred. Apologies for dullness of title - we need curly for witticisms.

cozza sorry you are having a naff time.

Where IZ vag??

haha silver - I can just picture you sat there stroking your own hair in a comforting manner!

I thought I should at least clarify! I am not TOTALLY selfish you know!

Has vaggie laid a baybee??????

At your gestational stage silver all you should be capable of is gurning, eating hobnobs and stroking your hair. And yet there you are lugging a bale of hay under each arm and mucking out! Uber-hard! You'll be back on the 'oss by the end of October at this rate.

It has just taken me all day to get a passport photo of DS. He has wailed all day and apparently a baby may have it's eyes closed for a passport photo but not it's mouth open. He is wailing again now - that's what happens when they sleep all night - they stay awake all day! And then you get nothing done at all.

horsie I'm all about the multitasking!! I have forewarned hoss that "mama will be back onboard soon". Am sure I was rewarded with a grimace and a sigh.

box sounds like winning the euromillions is a lot easier than getting a passport pic of a baybee!!

Oh dear - am getting my threads muddled up & posting FESH stuff on the PESH one . Will my HIP payment cover purchase of new brain???

Anyway, sorry Box for fluffing the passport form [fail emoticon] ....am amazed I'm qualified to counter-sign such stuff as clearly I shouldn't be.

"Before he lef
t he said he can see that I am going to be one of those nagging wives." Sweet Jesus.

"His argument is that you don't see other blokes down there helping out." as above.

cos it will pass but this first manic feeding phase with sleep depro is utterly hideous. I did scream (by email) to my NCT group that I wanted to give the fucking thing back. I loved my son underneath it all but all I could see wasn't him but a noisy horrible torturous thing :(

I mentioned sore nips the other day - turned out was growth spurt number 2. Is passing now.

Personally I don't do tanking for various reasons. I can't give formula for risk of allergies, and don't want to anyway for the other reasons bf is recommended. I express every day but can only get about 4oz at a time so am saving it for when I'm back at work and also for the milk bank - so there's just none spare.

So tanking isn't an option FOR US although it's logical and may well be worth a try. Instead we co-sleep and with weeks of practise we've got laying down latching ok, and I literally latch and go back to sleep. Although he wakes to feed every 2-3 hours I feel pretty good as long as I get 8-9 hours in bed (which I do unless I do the school run, which mostly my gorgeous husband does). If you really need to catch up on kip and you're not co-sleeping because of space, you may want to consider spending a night just with Artie in a double bed and let him feed as he wants overnight.

It's an alternative option if tanking isn't for you. It works for me, anyway.

I had to think a bit before I realised what you meant by tanking. I co-sleep to, and the lying-down-latch is the best thing ever for reducing sleep disturbance. What I learnt to do with DD has come back so easily this time I am not feeling too sleep deprived at all. I AM having trouble with DS possibly having digestive discomfort though, although I'm at a loss to describe what is causing it. It doesn't seem like colic (DD had that,) but the symptoms seem like reflux. I never seen another baby with reflux though, and he only seems to suffer from about 6-10pm. All other times he's fine. He screams when I BF him, pulls off but still wants more, and eventually slumps exhausted and miserable sucking OH's finger. (Doesn't want my finger, because I have boobies, only they seem to upset him even more.) All day though, and middle of the night he feeds just fine and seems happy enough. Any ideas?

Clucky - slap!

rotters HI is remorseful and is making up for this mornings "discussions". I do forgive but never forget. I iz a stubborn bitch like that.

Good. Remorseful is a good sign. Also, I is ex-wife of abusive bloke so have low tolerance for knobist behaviour.

box can I help? Both boys are/have been refluxy and Comma's is massively better now. Why do you think it's reflux? Please to list all symptoms.

Rots He is very fussy at the breast - latches on, then pulls off crying, then back on, off again (still holding on to nipple between his gums!) holding himself absolutely rigid when he pulls off. Has little sicks, but nothing really huge. Likes to be upright. Every so often screams as though he is in huge amounts of pain, and is inconsolable. But as I said, weirdly, he only gets this in the evening. Which makes it difficult to convince anyone who might be able to help that there is any kind of problem. Everyone medical (HV, GP, MW) who might see him sees him before 5pm, when he is sweetness and light.

cos said, "and I shouted at him the night before last"

I screamed at Comma "What the fuck do you want" and threw him on the bed when he was about 6 weeks old .

"threw" gently and with restraint, but threw all the same.

Sleep depro and a baybee who just didn't know what he wanted = very upset momma.

But looking back, he probably was starting with the reflux and was in discomfort, and going through a growth spurt. I keep reminding myself, even though all this (because he's so different to LC) is new to me, for him LIFE is totally new. He has no support circle, no MN, no NCT, no family who can talk him through what he's experiencing. Mum said she thought that Comma didn't realise he'd been born at that point. I dismissed it at the time but actually I think she's right. He wanted to be held and carried all the time because that was the only thing he'd ever known and being out of the womb was too overwhelming for him.

cos I promise it will get better. Hang on in there. Choose whatever method of getting through works for you but don't ever feel like a failure. You have made and continue to nourish a beautiful little creature who will grow in a very short time to consider you as his whole world and more than just a pair of boobies.

box taking out the time thing it sounds very refluxy, you're right.

Could you be eating something in the evening that is bothering him? But that works its way out of the milk by the morning?

Dairy is my baddie, but wheat is another option (but rarer - dairy is mucho common). But dairy takes more than a night to work its way out.

Rastus doesn't like wine or curry. Bastard.

PMSL

Some kids are so selfish!

boxy reflux does get worse in the evening, so sounds like he could have a mild case if it's only showing in the evening. I used to dread each passing hour befor I got Squeaker on to Gaviscon. She was asleep when we went to the docs, and they just listened to the symtoms I described. Is he arching his back? S did this from day one and I mistook it for lifting her head. She also wanted to suck to comfort her stomach, but didn't actually need food (too much would have made her worse)so we introduced the dummy.

If it's acid reflux his breath and spit-up will smell pretty awful.

Hope you can get it sorted.

Where's pony? Are you OK? And cossie, how are you doing this morning?

What about VAG and skater?

We've a few MIA. :(

cunty Having read your birth story as per the doula, I had no idea you'd been so close to the emcs. :( That must've really fucked with you - I know for me that once they said "OK, it's an emcs" I relaxed a little knowing it was all going to be over... the wait to go down to surgery felt very long though - if they'd turned around after that hour and said "no, sorry, we're going to wait until your cervix plays ball" I would've gone out the window.

mornings all, I am a different human today. Artie slept 8-10 and 11 - 4/4.30ish. I then nearly drowned him during feeding, sprayed all over the duvet when he pulled off. He didn't go straight back to sleep as he had some nice trapped wind, did a massive fart and then fell back to sleep till 7! He is all smiles again :)

Thanks all for your support yesterday, it's great to be able to vent somewhere.

Huzzah for massive farts. I am also a fan!

he's just done another! lol. Farty boy.

I like sneezy farts! We also had a great a great sleep last night - 8:30-4:30 and then 5-8:30. It's all smiles around these parts today!

I also have a job interview next week for a very interesting company - staying in this country but a move from here. Of course I'm giving them the runaround already because can't make the appointment they gave me. [blackmark]

Took DS to the doctor today and said 'I think he has mild reflux,' and listed symptoms. Doctor said, 'oooh, no - could be colic. Very distressing colic, if you've never seen it before.' I said 'DD had awful colic, and this is nothing like it. Totally different.' He said 'call back this afternoon and I'll have some Infacol left behind the counter for you.' Ta very much, bye-bye.

Then I saw the HV in the car park. Told her what had just happened and how I don't think it is colic, and she said 'try Colief.' I said 'what about my nips?' She laughed and said 'Don't worry, babies get over colic when they get to about 3 months.' I said ' ' and got in my car. Hmm.