June 10 babies have arrived. Now we are all sleep deprived!

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Welcome to 'the other side' ladies. Long may we all continue to post!

ARRIVALS
27/04 (due 23/06) - SunshineDay - Faye - 3lbs 2oz
16/05 (due 02/06) - Meggymegmegs - James (Jimmy) David, 7lb 1oz
19/05 (due 01/06) - whenwillisleepagain - Alice Emily, 8lb 7oz
21/05 (due 21/06) - Gizmo - Hester Rose - 6lbs
23/05 (due 9/06) - greensnail, Alice Elizabeth, 7lb 2oz
24/05 (due 8/06) - Saucepanman, Gabriel, 8lb 4oz
24/05 (due 31/05) - minimoonumber2, Sebastian Robin
26/05 (due 24/06) - GibberingGinger James Alexander, 5lb 13oz, & Douglas John, 5lb 15oz
28/05 (due 30/05) - GoodName, Fergus, 8lb
28/05 (due 31/05) - mampam, Tilly May, 9lb 11oz
28/05 (due 4/06) - jo807bump - Hannah May, 5lb 7.5oz
04/06 (due 07/06) - perkster - Sidney James Perkins Berner, 7lb 11oz
05/06 (due 31/05) - dinosaurinmybelly - Zoe Leila - 6lb 9oz
07/06 (due 02/06 ) - AlwaysHopeful - George, 7lb 13oz
07/06 (due 07/06) - MrsC09 - Rufus Jack
08/06 (due 01/06) - PogueMahone - Magnus Gabriel, 8lb 14.5oz
08/06 (due 11/06) - woofie - Laurence Elliot (Laurie) - 7lb 11oz
08/06 (due 21/06) - sunworshipper - Romola Ann Bettina, 5lb 15oz
09/06 (due 08/06) - LittleRobbo - Summer Dawn
09/06 (due 09/06) - Boobz - Constance Ella Reed,
11/06 (due 02/06) - Justbeme - 'Nobody' (boy) - 8lb 9oz
12/06 (due 02/06) - roundabout1 - Lauren - 8lb 14oz
13/06 (due 18/06) - Virgo1979 - nameless boy! 7lb 9oz
14/06 (due 30/06) - monthlymayhem - Hayden, 7lb
14/06 (due 08/06) - MrsAlwaysRight - Alice Rose, 9lb 7oz
14/06 (due 15/06) - Millymollymoo - boy
15/06 (due 31/05) - RnB - Artemis, 7lb 9oz
15/06 (due 29/06) - playftseforme - Rory 6lb 4oz, and Fergus 6lb 8oz
16/06 (due 17/06) - Chestnut100 - Daisy Belle 6lb 14oz
17/06 (due 01/06) - Madamfreckle - Emma 6lb 6oz
17/06 (due 30/06) - MonkeyMargot - Atticus Fox 7lb 8oz and Rafferty Bear 7lb 14oz
17/06 )due 04/06) - Suzy1975 - Samuel 7lb 14oz
18/06 (due 23/06) - earlyonemorning - Edgar William 7lb 8oz
18/06 (due 13/06) - sobloodystupid - Stella 8lb 8oz
19/06 (due 22/06) - Gaelicsheep - Robin 6lb 14oz
22/06 (due 14/06) - Fillybuster - Mia Rae 9lb 3oz
24/06 (due 16/06) - Nizzynoodles - Samuel James 10lb 10.5oz
24/06 (due 17/06) - summerhols - Lilly
25/06 (due 17/06) - Barbeasty - Ruth Damaris Rose, 9lb
26/06 (due 16/06) - JoKettle - James Lennox, 8lb 7oz
26/06 (due 29/06) - MrsDmamee - Elyssa, 8lb 5oz
28/06 (due 26/06) - imkeepingmum - girl, 7lb 11oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Georgee - Anna Rose, 7lb 15.5oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Elena67 - boy, 9lb 5oz
29/06 (due 17/06) - bluesnowfalcon - Corey, 8lb 11.75oz
29/06 (due 18/06) - theperfectbaguette - Clementine Jemima, 6lb
29/06 (due 26/06) - RubyReins - Luke Douglas, 7lb 14oz
29/06 (due 25/06) - Ilovemyterrier - Jeppe Sebastian Fagerlund, 7lb 6.5oz
01/07 (due 30/06)- LaTrucha - Daniel Timothy, 8lb 11oz
3/7 (due 29/06) - CantSleepWontSleep - Jeremy Francis, 9lb 4oz

Oh, I wanted to watch that but forgot. . Was it any good?

Fascinating greensnail. More as an insight into her life really!
How is it going with DD and her sleep?

She slept through last night! Until gone 7 this morning. Trying not to get too excited until she does it a few more nights though.

Yes, I just wanted to see her family really. She does seem to always be pregnant doesn't she.

J manages to soak through a size 4 huggies super dry most nights, on account of him feeding so bloody much! I did manage to get him back to sleep once last night without a feed, which is quite a result for us!

Roughly how much are all of your babies sleeping during the day? Ds had 3 30-35 min naps today, and that's all. He was knackered by bedtime, which was rather earlier than normal (before 7), but that amount of daytime sleep isn't atypical.

aaaaaaaaaaargh sleep sleep sleep!! Seb's has totally gone to pot, was doing a couple of wake ups at night but the last couple of nights has been up hourly - I have tried to call in dh to help but am now too exhausted and emotional to be rational about it so just end up arguing/crying. Am out tonight so may have to start some kind of sleep training tomorrow night - has anyone had any experience of the baby whisperer's pickup/put down method? Although i am tempted to just go for the old controlled crying as it worked a treat with ds1. Don't know if seb is a bit young though...justbeme what did you do when you gave in with Alice? Feed her?

Oh and filly I hope you are okay, it is so so hard and however lovely & helpful dh's are one can't help but feel like the kids/home ultimately comes down to the mum. Losing weight effectively is also very gradual so can be frustrating. Hope you have a nice weekend planned with lots of help from others so you can get some kind of break - even just a nice long soak in the bath can make all the difference.

Could it be a growth spurt minimoo? Even Richard Ferber says that this is too young for controlled crying.

CSWS - Alice's daytime sleep varies quite a bit depending on how busy we are as she's too nosy to sleep if anything vaguely interesting is going on. Yesterday she had 40mins in the morning, about 30 mins at lunchtime, then I put her down for a nap at 4pm and she decided it must be bedtime and didn't wake up till 7pm when she just wanted to be fed and go back down for the (very disturbed) night.
I would say 3 lots of 40 minutes was about average for her.

My sleeptraining had gone to pot also, was down to 2 feeds a night (more wakenings but DH managing to settle quickly and no problem. Then he got a cold and only wanted milk. Back to 5 feeds last night although that is still an improvement on a couple of weeks ago. Was getting quite used to sleeping in the spare room and only getting up twice a night. At least after a week or so of that I feel somewhat like a human again instead of an absolute mental case . Will try getting a little stricter again in a few days. Dont want anything amazing just a couple of feeds a night and perhaps him sleeping in his own bed, surely thats not too much to ask? What happened to put yours off track justbeme
How are things with you filly?

CSWS our boys sleep around 3 hours in total in the day (40 minutes in the morning, 2 hours at lunchtime and 20-30 minutes in the afternoon).
Oh dear goodname I feel for you.
minimoo echoing what csws said, our boys have just gone through an enormous growth spurt, and I mean enormous. It lasted for almost 2 weeks and they went from sleeping through to needing to be fed sometimes 4 times at nighttime. This has now settled down and they seem to be back to normal. Don't underestimate the 5 month spurt! And don't fret - another month and then weaning begins, and then things do tend to start settling down.

Hi everyone, see we all have the same topic on our minds. Alice is six months old today, feels like quite a big deal to have got this far. She's delightful, but I have simply no idea how I will ever, ever, get her back to sleep during the night without offering her my boob - I have begun to try, believe me, and she just goes spare. And goodname I'm a 5 feeds-per-nighter too.

CSWS Alice has 2 or 3 daytime naps, anywhere between 20 and 40 mins on average - doesn't really feel like enough and I wonder if it's adding to night-time misery.

mini PU/PD seemed instantly seductive when I tried it with DS but it was short-lived in its success. I think I'm a gradual withdrawal sort of person - haven't read 'no cry sleep solution' but I got the impression that it advocates a sort of approach that we eventually did with DS, but I think he was around 18 months tbh.

Anyway I have posted elsewhere on MN about sleep and our thread here is mighty consoling and helpful. Am glugging a glass of wine - not only is Alice six months today, but DS will be four on Sunday. My little boy!

Oh and meant to say, csws coincidentally I have been re-reading Ferber this week. I think he would be horrified with our milk guzzling night-time babies. I did giggle a bit when I read that stern chapter about the problematic children who drink 'quarts' of milk during the night. Not sure he and I would get on.

Are most of our naughty sleepers breastfed?? Are there any bottle fed babies who aren't sleeping through the night? and are most of them boys too?

Yes, I gave in after 2 hrs of shushing by feeding. I think A is teething - I've given him calpol and bonjela tonight (so far the granules don't seem to help?) - does any one have any other teething tips?

My sleep "training" was sourced from the internet, which said you could do from 4 mths - there's so many different opinions on stuff out there. No one "Knows" what is the right way and each child is different, but It's nice to have tips from you all!!

My naughty sleeper is a breastfed boy...!
We have tried this week moving him into a sleeping bag rather than swaddle - DH believed he was 'waking himself up trying to get free of his swaddle'. After 2 nights in the bag, I'm not convinced!
I'm just grateful J only demands 1 feed a night at the moment - currently around 3am and he seems to have stopped spending 2 hours awake at night...just wakes every hour, or 2 hours.

Yep mine is a breastfed boy and it was way more than 5 feeds again last night . At least its the weekend so DH got up with him at 7 and I went back to sleep.
HAve friends and relatives in RL who are bottlefeeding their babies and they all sleep through the night! Seem to be blinking happy contented babies also grrr. I was thinking they might sleep better as they never get the comfort of bf to sleep so have to learn to settle themselves from early on. Also its so easy to plop your baby on you to feed when it wakes up. If I had to get up and make a bottle 5 times a night I might have made a more serious attempt at reducing feeds in the night much earlier on! DO have one friend with a bad sleeper who is bottlefed but he was very premature and has health problems inc severe reflux so it doesn't really count. Even he is better than fergus though!

PLEASE don't think this is meant to be smug but Tom is a great sleeper and has been more or less from the off - bed at 7, feed at 10.30 then through to 6.30+, barring unruly wees or teething abdabs, and he's breastfed so I really think it's the pure luck of the draw... he doesn't really sleep in the day though.

My boys are also BF and sleep through the night - but I do think there's an argument to say that bottlefed babies don't get to rely on the comfort of being fed to sleep.

Just received the DNA results back from the hospital who have confirmed that our boys are identical twins!

Identical - oh that's just too cute!!!
Is it really difficult to tell them apart? I was teaching a pair of identicals before starting my mat leave and it was always really hard to get them the right way round!

bravegirl I can easily tell them apart but i see them every day! They look quite different to me.

Ruth is breastfed and last night went to sleep at 5.40am. Why did she think that it would be cute to be sick on my side of the bed at 4am if she smiled at me?

I have reached the conclusion that having a teething child is like having a puppy. Yesterday I put Ruth on the bedroom floor for a minute and first she started to chew my slipper, then when she decided that wasn't particularly tasty she tried to move on to chewing at the nappy bin

Then we went to see her new cousin today who has finally been named Greta. They were put next to each other on the floor and Ruth decided that the best thing to chew was.... A week-old baby's head cue rapid pulling them apart! After this she just got on with chewing the hoover. Now we've got home and discovered that she has stolen a dolls costume that she had been chewing, so we'll have to post it back.

Alice is bf and is up at least 3 times during the night. DD1 also bf and was sleeping through by this age. I agree though that part of the reason bf babies take longer to sleep through is the fact that the easiest way to settle them is a feed. If I had to get up and make a bottle I would be looking for a better way of settling her I'm sure.

DD1's sleep seems to be vaguely back to normal now so its time to tackle Alice. I think DH is going to start trying to settle her for one of her wakings and we'll take it from there. Hopefully he'll manage to settle her without waking DD1.

Seb is bottle fed & is definitely used to being fed back to sleep - not sure it makes any difference wether bottle or breast so long as it's milk/comfort. So strange, Friday night he slept through joyously as i had been out & had a lot of wine, then last night was up hourly, he had milk, milk, milk, calpol, cuddles, came into our bed etc. etc. but just cried & cried until eventually i left him to it back in his room as cuddling wasn't making any difference, within 3 minutes he had settled himself back to sleep & when he woke again at 6ish and 7ish settled himself back both times. Now I am in no way saying that one little time of being left to cry was the answer but it has given me the confidence that 1. he CAN still sleep through the night as he did on Friday and 2. sometimes there is literally nothing you can do to comfort them. I have no idea what is going to happen tonight!!!!

I have now been feeding him baby rice & purees for the past 3 weeks so that certainly hasn't had any magical effect on sleeping. Has anyone else who has started weaning found it quite hard to get out & about? I am feeling a bit trapped as he now has a meal and bottle so everything takes that bit longer and if we do go out in the morning or afternoon it basically means going to a cafe (if we're not at a friend's house) and needing to keep ds1 quiet & still with some kind of cake! Anyway, I know it's just a phase and I'm looking forward to them both being on the same kind of routine.

monkey that is adorable - can you post any recent photos??

minimoon I've just posted a recent photo of the boys on my profile :-)

Oh my! MonkeyMargot what gorgeous babies you make! (And it looks like it runs in the family.)

Alwayshopeful I've had the same problem with all 3 of mine - poo up to the back of the neck sometimes. (The Shit Demon scene from the movie Dogma is often quoted in this house.) A few years back I even phoned up Pampers hotline to ask what I was doing wrong, was I not strapping them on tightly enough? They said I seemed to be using them properly so just sent me a £20 voucher for some more nappies. So not a terrible result :)

CSWS mine sleeps about the same as yours. More if he's not disturbed my all the noisy people in my house. (And breathe...)

Justbeme my naughty sleeper is a bf boy. Do we have mostly bf boys on this thread or have we stumbled upon a link?

Awww! they are adorable!!! Well done you

margot - what a lovely photo of your two gorgeous boys.

well I have a bf girl who is a very bad sleeper. I do know of bottle fed babies who are bad sleepers (both boys!) I know the mums tend to get up for a few hours in the night with then & one gets her ironing done then. Can't see that happening here, even if I did get up with Lauren I'm sure she's want to be attatched to me rather than in her bouncy chair. I did wonder if bf babies are more clingy in their clingy phase than bottle fed babies, I know it's only me that can settle Lauren when she is fractious, sometimes if she's tired she only needs to be held by me near my breast (when fully clothed) & she's out like a light whereas dh will be rocking her, walking her round with no success at all.
I'm begining to worry when our sleep situation will get better, dd1 is 5 & since staying up late for halloween is terrible at getting to sleep so haven't even been attempting getting lauren to bed as her crying would only disturb her even more. I get lauren to sleep in her pushchair downstairs til dd1 is asleep & then take lauren up, she has had a better few nights but as she is in bed with us don't think that classes as that good! Her cot is righjt next to the bed but apparently that's not close enough!
We have lots of dirty nappies going up the back, roughly one a day but when her teeth have been bothering her is up to 5, sometimes needing a bath each time. In the end I went to tesco & bought 20 extra cheap vests (thinking I surely wouldn't need them but they have all been used. With dd1 I found huggies worked better as the elasticated back seemed to contain more but this time doesn't seem the case. With dd1 I changed to washable nappies & never had the problem but this time I can't get motivated to using them (very bad I know)