June 10 babies have arrived. Now we are all sleep deprived!

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Welcome to 'the other side' ladies. Long may we all continue to post!

ARRIVALS
27/04 (due 23/06) - SunshineDay - Faye - 3lbs 2oz
16/05 (due 02/06) - Meggymegmegs - James (Jimmy) David, 7lb 1oz
19/05 (due 01/06) - whenwillisleepagain - Alice Emily, 8lb 7oz
21/05 (due 21/06) - Gizmo - Hester Rose - 6lbs
23/05 (due 9/06) - greensnail, Alice Elizabeth, 7lb 2oz
24/05 (due 8/06) - Saucepanman, Gabriel, 8lb 4oz
24/05 (due 31/05) - minimoonumber2, Sebastian Robin
26/05 (due 24/06) - GibberingGinger James Alexander, 5lb 13oz, & Douglas John, 5lb 15oz
28/05 (due 30/05) - GoodName, Fergus, 8lb
28/05 (due 31/05) - mampam, Tilly May, 9lb 11oz
28/05 (due 4/06) - jo807bump - Hannah May, 5lb 7.5oz
04/06 (due 07/06) - perkster - Sidney James Perkins Berner, 7lb 11oz
05/06 (due 31/05) - dinosaurinmybelly - Zoe Leila - 6lb 9oz
07/06 (due 02/06 ) - AlwaysHopeful - George, 7lb 13oz
07/06 (due 07/06) - MrsC09 - Rufus Jack
08/06 (due 01/06) - PogueMahone - Magnus Gabriel, 8lb 14.5oz
08/06 (due 11/06) - woofie - Laurence Elliot (Laurie) - 7lb 11oz
08/06 (due 21/06) - sunworshipper - Romola Ann Bettina, 5lb 15oz
09/06 (due 08/06) - LittleRobbo - Summer Dawn
09/06 (due 09/06) - Boobz - Constance Ella Reed,
11/06 (due 02/06) - Justbeme - 'Nobody' (boy) - 8lb 9oz
12/06 (due 02/06) - roundabout1 - Lauren - 8lb 14oz
13/06 (due 18/06) - Virgo1979 - nameless boy! 7lb 9oz
14/06 (due 30/06) - monthlymayhem - Hayden, 7lb
14/06 (due 08/06) - MrsAlwaysRight - Alice Rose, 9lb 7oz
14/06 (due 15/06) - Millymollymoo - boy
15/06 (due 31/05) - RnB - Artemis, 7lb 9oz
15/06 (due 29/06) - playftseforme - Rory 6lb 4oz, and Fergus 6lb 8oz
16/06 (due 17/06) - Chestnut100 - Daisy Belle 6lb 14oz
17/06 (due 01/06) - Madamfreckle - Emma 6lb 6oz
17/06 (due 30/06) - MonkeyMargot - Atticus Fox 7lb 8oz and Rafferty Bear 7lb 14oz
17/06 )due 04/06) - Suzy1975 - Samuel 7lb 14oz
18/06 (due 23/06) - earlyonemorning - Edgar William 7lb 8oz
18/06 (due 13/06) - sobloodystupid - Stella 8lb 8oz
19/06 (due 22/06) - Gaelicsheep - Robin 6lb 14oz
22/06 (due 14/06) - Fillybuster - Mia Rae 9lb 3oz
24/06 (due 16/06) - Nizzynoodles - Samuel James 10lb 10.5oz
24/06 (due 17/06) - summerhols - Lilly
25/06 (due 17/06) - Barbeasty - Ruth Damaris Rose, 9lb
26/06 (due 16/06) - JoKettle - James Lennox, 8lb 7oz
26/06 (due 29/06) - MrsDmamee - Elyssa, 8lb 5oz
28/06 (due 26/06) - imkeepingmum - girl, 7lb 11oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Georgee - Anna Rose, 7lb 15.5oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Elena67 - boy, 9lb 5oz
29/06 (due 17/06) - bluesnowfalcon - Corey, 8lb 11.75oz
29/06 (due 18/06) - theperfectbaguette - Clementine Jemima, 6lb
29/06 (due 26/06) - RubyReins - Luke Douglas, 7lb 14oz
29/06 (due 25/06) - Ilovemyterrier - Jeppe Sebastian Fagerlund, 7lb 6.5oz
01/07 (due 30/06)- LaTrucha - Daniel Timothy, 8lb 11oz
3/7 (due 29/06) - CantSleepWontSleep - Jeremy Francis, 9lb 4oz

csws do you think you could sum up why they changed the age when you get a mo? I felt terrible giving it to ds1 the other night even though he is now 3 and had it loads between 3 & 12 months before they changed it!!

sympathies to all the sleepless. And CSWS sorry to hear about your gallstones.

Am leaving BLW till next week when Alice will be 26 weeks - this is because my DS has food allergies. Am very excited though. I inadvertently provoked some lively debate on the allergies section when I went on there for advice yesterday.

Last night was a shocker here - anyone else's older DC's have nightmares or night terrors? DS did at 10pm and was so distraught it was horrible to see - I felt so powerless to comfort him and he got so tearful he then coughed till he threw up, DH walked in the sick, Alice woke up and thought it was a madhouse, DS came into our bed and cried intermittently till 4am when he wet it. At which point he settled in his own bed and had a long peaceful sleep thank goodness.

I had a school governors' meeting at our local primary at 8am (leaving DH watching over sleping DS). The head was asking our advice about a refugee parent who has been made homeleess and she and her child are without anywhere to stay - that totally put my bad night into perspective. As did the huge piece of chocolate cake I just scoffed.

minimoo - iirc they initially changed it from 3 months to 2 years because some people are too stupid for their own good were incorrectly giving it as well as calpol/other paracetamol, thus overdosing the babies (though how on earth they get statistics on this I don't know). I think that some people were also using it purely to get a good night's sleep (I recently discovered that one of my friends did this about once a week ).
They then changed it to age 6 as part of a wider review of childrens medicines, allegedly because it wasn't really effective. There was poss also an element of the fact that some children reacted badly to it and ended up bouncing off the walls! Fortunately mine have all been fine with it. I don't use it often, but there's nothing else that does the same job and actually helps when they have a terrible cold.

It is so good to hear you all going through similar things to what's going on here. Not that I like the fact that there are sleep issues aplenty, it's just nice to know we're not the only ones!

Our plan for better sleeping was going really well until last weekend. We go and stay in London one weekend a month for me to do my course, and DH took Jon to see MIL on Saturday. As a result of cutting things fine, bad planning and bad traffic the bedtime routine went out the window 3 nights in a row so we are actually back to worse than square one now with him waking and needing just a pat or a soothe every hour, and then thinking 3 a.m. is morning. Oh well. This may be compounded by teething but I'm not sure, we've been able to see his top teeth through his gums for months, but they don't seem to be moving.

CSWS, ouch, good luck with getting your op moved, and that's very useful information about medised. Jon has already had a bad cold and calpol helped a little, but knowing there is something stronger in the armoury is reassuring.

csws thanks so much for that. I totally agree is the only thing that helps when they are super super snotty.

monkeymargot that's so frustrating about your buyer, but I wonder if it might be for the best. DD1 is really struggling with the move here and I've come to the conclusion that this is a really difficult age to go through such a change and think in afew months time it would be so much easier as her communication/ understanding improves.

Glad the first night went well goodname hope last night was a success too.

Am considering trying medised too as the girls both have colds on top of the sleep issues.

Hello - haven't been around for a while as things are somewhat hectic here at the moment.

Welcome FoxyRevenger and TheSkiingGardener

The gallstones sound horrific csws - hope your referral comes through soon.

That sounds like a great improvement for the first night of sleep training goodname! And good on your dh for taking the reins (though I can't sleep through a screeching baby either)

WWISA - your post made me laugh aloud (sorry!!) Ds1 has had a few night terrors recently too, and it's horrible to witness as it's so hard to get them to wake up and stop screaming His are always related to loud noises he thinks he's heard, or so he tells us the next morning.

Having moved out of our friends' house, which we'd been housesitting since Laurie's birth, I and the boys went to stay with the inlaws 3 weeks ago, while dh camped out in the new house, getting the last essential bits of renovation done. While my parents-in-law are great, fil is going though chemo at the moment, and poor mil had to share with ds1 (see above re occasional night terrors - plus he started waking at 5.30 when the clocks went back...) Laurie's sleep meanwhile has been fairly atrocious for the last 6 weeks, and I was trying to work in the evenings so getting by on 3-4 hours a night and stressing about the impact on parents-in-law. Thankfully as of Wednesday we are finally in the new place - which is lovely upstairs and still pretty much a building site downstairs... Our stuff's been in storage for 5 months, so it's been wonderful watching ds1 redicover all of his old toys.

I've been making some classic sleep-deprived blunders recently, which have entailed building up far too close a relationship with the guys from Green Flag. Highlights include:

(1) Locking Laurie in my car with the keys on the inside.

(2) While playing hide and seek with ds1, dss and Laurie in the sling near a local lock, dropping my only set of car keys into the 8m-deep canal. Had to hang around for 45 mins in the bitter cold with 3 boys, have the car towed off, and then fork out 200 quid to have new keys made.

Laurie's still a winner in the daytime though, so musn't grumble. He and ds1 are brilliant together, and I often overhear them having proper 'chats' when I'm out of the room. No teeth yet, though all the signs, but he's just starting to sit for v short periods... End of the tiny baby phase!

Oh no woofie. Locking a baby in the car is one of my worst nightmares, something I'm really paranoid about. Hope you managed to get him out fairly quickly.

My favourite sleep-deprived blunder happened a couple of nights ago. Went in to Alice in the night and picked her up and was very confused to feel her kicking me in the face. Turns out i'd put her in the cot the other way round to usual so when I picked her up I was actually dangling her upside down. It actually quietened her down straight away so maybe I should try it on a regular basis.

DD1's sleep has now got completely ridiculous. She was bouncing around from 2am last night, having already been put back to bed a couple of times by that point. DH and I have decided tonight is the night we're going to get tough, so not sure how things will go tonight.

Oh woofie - your sleep -deprived misdemeanours sound awful. No harm done I guess, but must have been highly stressful.

greensnail that's hilarious re. picking Alice up upsidedown.....bet that shocked her to bits! I'm always picking up the twins by the scruff of their necks, as it's so damned tricky getting positioned ready for breastfeeding them. They also get constantly smothered in slobber by DD and have their hands forced together to "clap". The poor things......
good luck with your DD tonight. As you know, we had a month of ridiculously early wakings with DD which thankfully have ceased now.

Hope everyone is bearing up.

Woodie- I remember years ago when I called Green Flag out for a flat battery and the mechanic locked the keys in the car!

SILs 6th was born on Saturday and I took Ruth and my MIL to see her yesterday. She was tiny! I don't remember Ruth ever being that little (although I have to say she wasn't as Ruth was 1lb 2oz heavier at birth!) Apparently she will probably be called Beatrix because that's what her sisters have been telling everyone she's called! That's one way to name a child...

We went to Cribbs Causway on Saturday to get a couple of stairgates. Early, but Ruth managed to roll half way across the sitting room floor in the week and if she realises the possibilities I don't want her escaping too far! It turned into a trip to do a bit of Christmas shopping so we had to let DH go to TGI Friday for a drink afterwards (it's the only way I can ever get him to go!). That turned into a (very) late lunch so we put Ruth into a highchair so she could sit at the table with us. They didn't have a crotch strap, so she kept slipping lower and lower so I ended up putting her on my knee instead. Then she decided she was inconsolably hungry, so I had to do the eat one handed whilst feeding thing. Talk about an exhausting day!

Oh greensnail that did make me laugh!

We are in same boat with J and waking at nights. How did it go last night..How did you 'get tough'?

Last night J woke at just gone 12, then 1am last night. When he woke again at 3.15am I sent in DH to help him back to sleep. 45 mins later he gave up and came and fetched me - of course he then fell asleep 5 mins later. DH was not amused!!!

struggling to find time to post at the moment but have been reading up on all the lo's antics. sleeping is silly here, waking most nights every hour or so, i'vestopped feeding to sleep & use the dummy to resettle but it never lasts long. Lauren always ends up in bed with us but it doesn't increase the amount of sleep we get but makes it easier to cope with.
Is anyone still swaddling? Lauren hated it as a newborn but I've tried it a few times recently & when she was very upset it has helped her settle although she wakes furious at her arms being stuck. I have a large thin cotton swaddle but wondering how many layers you put on underneath or are there any thick swaddle blankets around? I've tried with a normal blanket but she manages to escape.
Can't remember who posted about biting during feeding but we have that going on too. Lauren chomps down on my nipple & turns her head tugging it, boy does it hurt! I take her off the breast at that point which she seems to find very amusing!

I still swaddle, for daytime naps and at nighttime. He grew out of his newborn swaddle so I bought extra large muslin swaddle sheets from www.bigmuz.com/ which have been perfect. I then cover with cot blankets - usually 2 or 3 layers.
We're trying to reduce the night feeds again - J made it until 5.15am this morning!

Bravegirl We're getting tough with 22mo DD1, not baby Alice (although its her turn next, but I don't think we'll be quite as tough on her). Basically, until this point since the move when she's been waking in the night she's been getting lots of cuddles and reassurance to help her to resettle. As the night wakings were getting more and more frequent we decided to stop giving her so much attention overnight and just telling her firmly its time to go to sleep and leaving her to it. Last night was quite a success with her sleeping until 4am and then resettling until 6.30. Have fingers crossed for tonight.

Welcome back woofie :) I must say that you and greensnail both made me properly giggle....:) :) :)

All good here, but I'm feeling constantly a little overwhelmed and stretched....I suspect this is just the fallout from 3 children and a DH who is rarely home before 10, but I feel like the 'to do' lists only ever grow. Sorry to unload on here, I appreciate that my life is good and my children sleep (I wish I did, but I never seem to get the chores finished before midnight ), but I keep ranting at DH and that's not helpful either....I'm feeling constantly enormously pre-menstrual and wondering whether the minipill might be to blame - does anyone know? I'm also wondering whether it might be making losing weight harder, which is also getting me down (although I've just munched a huuuuuuge bag of pretzels and that probably doesn't help either!).

Hello everyone and welcome to the new members of the group. filly your post describes my situation too. DH works late and so I have always done the bulk of child care (usually happily) but often things build up into resentment and nagging. Zoe was baptised at the weekend and I felt the entire planning and execution fell on my shoulders which totally overwhelmed me last week and I put on 2kg eating chocolate to console myself.

Am resolved to get back on track but I know that will be tough as Christmas is around the corner....

Filly I've only got Ruth, and a DH who tends to be home by 7 and my to do list is always getting bigger. And my sin is chocolate...

Well, I can confirm that MIL's touch failed tonight! We went out to dinner for our anniversary and when we got back just now we could hear Ruth bawling her eyes out :( Apparently this is despite bonjela and calpol. But those pesky teeth have really been hurting her today.

We're still waking after about 4 hours and then every couple of hours until 5 or 6 when she'll go until around 9 (although she sometimes plays in her cot rather than sleeping). No swaddling but we use a sleeping bag.

Hilarious greensnail! Surprise them into submission. Yes, locking Laurie in the car was fairly traumatic, but I managed to keep the tears at bay and make funny faces at him for 20 mins til Green Flag arrived. (I now know a very neat way of breaking into cars) He dealt with it quite well really, only really breaking into screaming in the last 5 minutes.

filly - yes, a bit overwhelmed and stretched here too. To-do list is miles long and still growing.

barbeasty - Ruth's sleep patterns sound similar to Laurie's. He did a 5 1/2-hour stretch through the evening the other night, which was the longest for ages, but hasn't repeated it since, and I generally resort to having him in bed with me in the small hours and letting him feed to sleep after each waking, which is no doubt creating bad habits. Hey ho. On the positive front, this week he's finally started napping really well in the morning - whihc is why I'm at the computer now, since he's been asleep since 9.15 Bliss! Managed to have a shower, clear up the breakfast things and paint some shelves. I remember naps getting longer at around this age with ds1 too, which eventually seemed to have a knock-on effect on night time sleep. Here's hoping...

I did my first proper LOL at woofie and greensnail's mishaps. Sleep deprivation does terrible things to your faculties, doesn't it?

Woofie I'm doing the same thing with Magnus. I put him down in his cot but he's in beside me from his first waking. I don't know if it helps him but it certainly helps me if I don't have to properly wake up to feed him again.

DIMB your post sounds familiar: I too organised the whole christening, and on top of that had the trauma of needing a new outfit but still being at least a size above my fighting weight. And I've already bought and inhaled my first chocolate orange of the season. It's going to be a looong season...

Morning ladies. Hope everyone is well. I need some help, please.... sorry if this is TMI...

George's poo has turned back from green to yellow, so I'm happy he's not poorly anymore, but the volume of poo is alarming! He's going at least 4 times a day and almost every time it's squirting out of his nappy - mostly up his back. I've tried a couple of brands of nappy and neither is better than the other. Is anyone else having this problem? Is one brand better than another? George is 16lb and in size 3. I've tried Nature Baby and Pampers.

I'm so sick of stripping him down every time and I'm constantly running out of vests for him.

Aside from that, all is happy in the Hopeful house. Loving the stories of sleep-deprived bungling Woofie & Greensnail Nothing that exciting happening here - just forgetfulness and having to run up and down stairs a million times before I can get out of the house with everything we need. Very frustrating... great for weight loss though

AH I dont know about the poo, it does sound like an awful lot. Fergus has quite the opposite problem with poo at the mo. I was just thinking that at 16lb he might just need to be moved up to a size 4 nappy? Not tried them but apparently lidls does a very good nappy

hopeful I find huggies better than pampers. Maybe try size 4 as goodname suggests? I wouldn't worry about the frequency. Our boys used to go once every other day and now go around 4 times a day. My 2 year old sometimes does 5 a day!

Alwayshopeful - you could always put a washable nappy wrap over the disposable as an extra barrier. I've started to do this at night as A nappy started to wet through.
Or with DD1 I bought waterproof pants from Boots and put them over the nappy.

Sleep training gone to pot - I'm trying again , but last night A cried for 2 hours and I finally gave in. ( Was going in 5/10/15 etc mins).

My goodness monkeymargot that's 13 poos a day! You must go through mountains of nappies.

I had exactly the same issue with the nappy leaks when we were using disposables during the move. Now back to cloth and its no longer a problem.

greensnail our house is a constant cycle of nappy changing. It is quite ridiculous and I do spend a fortune on nappies.

Anyone watching Sarah Beeney's new programme?