June 10 babies have arrived. Now we are all sleep deprived!

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Welcome to 'the other side' ladies. Long may we all continue to post!

ARRIVALS
27/04 (due 23/06) - SunshineDay - Faye - 3lbs 2oz
16/05 (due 02/06) - Meggymegmegs - James (Jimmy) David, 7lb 1oz
19/05 (due 01/06) - whenwillisleepagain - Alice Emily, 8lb 7oz
21/05 (due 21/06) - Gizmo - Hester Rose - 6lbs
23/05 (due 9/06) - greensnail, Alice Elizabeth, 7lb 2oz
24/05 (due 8/06) - Saucepanman, Gabriel, 8lb 4oz
24/05 (due 31/05) - minimoonumber2, Sebastian Robin
26/05 (due 24/06) - GibberingGinger James Alexander, 5lb 13oz, & Douglas John, 5lb 15oz
28/05 (due 30/05) - GoodName, Fergus, 8lb
28/05 (due 31/05) - mampam, Tilly May, 9lb 11oz
28/05 (due 4/06) - jo807bump - Hannah May, 5lb 7.5oz
04/06 (due 07/06) - perkster - Sidney James Perkins Berner, 7lb 11oz
05/06 (due 31/05) - dinosaurinmybelly - Zoe Leila - 6lb 9oz
07/06 (due 02/06 ) - AlwaysHopeful - George, 7lb 13oz
07/06 (due 07/06) - MrsC09 - Rufus Jack
08/06 (due 01/06) - PogueMahone - Magnus Gabriel, 8lb 14.5oz
08/06 (due 11/06) - woofie - Laurence Elliot (Laurie) - 7lb 11oz
08/06 (due 21/06) - sunworshipper - Romola Ann Bettina, 5lb 15oz
09/06 (due 08/06) - LittleRobbo - Summer Dawn
09/06 (due 09/06) - Boobz - Constance Ella Reed,
11/06 (due 02/06) - Justbeme - 'Nobody' (boy) - 8lb 9oz
12/06 (due 02/06) - roundabout1 - Lauren - 8lb 14oz
13/06 (due 18/06) - Virgo1979 - nameless boy! 7lb 9oz
14/06 (due 30/06) - monthlymayhem - Hayden, 7lb
14/06 (due 08/06) - MrsAlwaysRight - Alice Rose, 9lb 7oz
14/06 (due 15/06) - Millymollymoo - boy
15/06 (due 31/05) - RnB - Artemis, 7lb 9oz
15/06 (due 29/06) - playftseforme - Rory 6lb 4oz, and Fergus 6lb 8oz
16/06 (due 17/06) - Chestnut100 - Daisy Belle 6lb 14oz
17/06 (due 01/06) - Madamfreckle - Emma 6lb 6oz
17/06 (due 30/06) - MonkeyMargot - Atticus Fox 7lb 8oz and Rafferty Bear 7lb 14oz
17/06 )due 04/06) - Suzy1975 - Samuel 7lb 14oz
18/06 (due 23/06) - earlyonemorning - Edgar William 7lb 8oz
18/06 (due 13/06) - sobloodystupid - Stella 8lb 8oz
19/06 (due 22/06) - Gaelicsheep - Robin 6lb 14oz
22/06 (due 14/06) - Fillybuster - Mia Rae 9lb 3oz
24/06 (due 16/06) - Nizzynoodles - Samuel James 10lb 10.5oz
24/06 (due 17/06) - summerhols - Lilly
25/06 (due 17/06) - Barbeasty - Ruth Damaris Rose, 9lb
26/06 (due 16/06) - JoKettle - James Lennox, 8lb 7oz
26/06 (due 29/06) - MrsDmamee - Elyssa, 8lb 5oz
28/06 (due 26/06) - imkeepingmum - girl, 7lb 11oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Georgee - Anna Rose, 7lb 15.5oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Elena67 - boy, 9lb 5oz
29/06 (due 17/06) - bluesnowfalcon - Corey, 8lb 11.75oz
29/06 (due 18/06) - theperfectbaguette - Clementine Jemima, 6lb
29/06 (due 26/06) - RubyReins - Luke Douglas, 7lb 14oz
29/06 (due 25/06) - Ilovemyterrier - Jeppe Sebastian Fagerlund, 7lb 6.5oz
01/07 (due 30/06)- LaTrucha - Daniel Timothy, 8lb 11oz
3/7 (due 29/06) - CantSleepWontSleep - Jeremy Francis, 9lb 4oz

Aw barbeasty - I have very happy childhood memories of romping around westonbirt. This is the best time of year for it too

hope you have a better night tonight greensnail

Laurie is still up twice for feeds between 8 and 8, bit I don't mind since he's usually easy to resettle. Think sleeping through is still a way off here. On the other hand he's a star in the daytime- took him to a funeral today with some trepidation, but he was quiet as a lamb and just cooed and grinned at everyone at the wake. I even managed to sit through 4 hours of presentations at my departmental open day a couple of weeks ago while he dozed and fed. They said the second would be easier, but I didn't believe it... Ds1 would've shouted the house down at either occasion!

Much better night thanks. She woke at 8.30, so I fed and settled her then and I was asleep by 9 and was only up for one feed and one dummy replacement in the night. DD1 wasn't up until 7.30 this morning. I felt like a new woman after all that sleep

Now have my fingers crossed for an even better night tonight.

Hello all, I've found you! I'm standing in a darkened kitchen waiting for Hester to finally conk out after which I should be cooking dinner, so, rather short of time to read whole thread I shall just say:

1. we're all alive-o and generally chipper. Despite her early arrival, Hester is now on the 91st centile, and while she seems to regard sleep during the day as a bit of a waste of time (40 minutes max), she is generally only waking once a night so it's all quite tolerable. She's a total charmer, very smiley and chatty and we all love her to bits

2. Hope everyone is doing OK...Greensnail I see you have progress on your house - that's great .

3. Sex? Did we discuss sex? Oh please let's discuss sex...that's what mumsnet is for, isn't it?

4. DH is still travelling too much, and not very happy with work, so we should really think about some major life changes...can anyone recommend a really good, preferably intellectual in approach, life coach? Would they take on coaching a couple, rather than an individual, do we think?

RIght, I shall cook dinner and then try to catch up with everyone's news

Hi Gizmo lovely to hear from you again. Yes, we have talked about sex, but CSWS seemed to inadvertantly put an end to the discussion... we can discuss again if you like. DH and I have actually done the deed recently, so I have some real life experience!!

I have no first hand experience of life coaches, I'm afraid. I was training to be a life coach at one point, but lost the plot a bit in my own personal life and thought perhaps it wasn't really the career for me!

George had his 12 week injections yesterday and then slept through the night for the first time! Woohoo!! He was a bit off this morning, though, he seemed very upset in a way I haven't experienced before. Thank goodness my MIL was on hand to help out and he fell asleep on her for an hour and woke up much more content.

Fingers crossed for him sleeping through again tonight. I'm hoping it's the start of a great new phase, not a vaccine induced accident.

Hello gizmo I'm too knackered to talk about sex tonight! Have entered the land of the sleep-deprived on a grand scale, as Alice, who like quite a few other babies on here, rarely does much daytime sleeping, has also taken against doing it at night. Hoping it's only a growth spurt but she is waking to feed every 1, 2 or 3 hours and then wanting to play as well. DS thankfully didn't make an appearance last night.

I really should be in bed, but came onto MN to do a post about prostate cancer - my 89 year old dad has it, but so far it has seemed well controlled. He saw the consultant today and his PSA count is up, which made me realise I didn't know what that stood for, so have been googling and posted on here.

Ok, catching up a bit now...

Wot, no talk about sex at all? Talking is about all I can manage at the moment (although I do think Filly's MW has a good point, but perhaps I just have low expectations of sex ) DH has remained in our bed throughout (nowhere else for him to go, except North Carolina or Tokyo!) so we've caught up a bit on our love life, but I'm still rather too interested in sleep to take it all seriously.

MonkeyM: did you get answers to your Mirena question? I got a very similar pattern of bleeding to what you describe when my latest one was fitted (about 6 weeks ago) but it seems to have settled down now.

Greensnail congratulations on the new house. We were in Devon last weekend and I was thinking it's one of the best bits of the UK: I'm sure your DC will love growing up there.

Filly I was rather gobsmacked by your description of Mia's routine, since I'm finding it impossible to move Hester into any sort of routine at all. This is a bit of a comedown from the days when I religiously Gina Forded DS1, but there's just too much going on for me - particularly with the boys - to be able to put Hester down in the same environment at the same time every day. How are you managing it?

To my annoyance, my babyweight is hanging around rather. Although I never weight myself, I'm probably a stone over my optimum and 7lbs over pre-pregnancy weight, but more significantly I'm wobbly and things are stiff and sore when I go for a run, which isn't normal and is rather depressing. All I need is to carve a regular slot into my day for running, but at the moment I have no clue when that might be, unless it's around 4.30 am when Hester has finished her night feed

Ah, cross posted. Sorry to hear about your dad, Whenwill. He's the same age as mine, ie the age at which the parent child relationship seems to start running backwards, I think

gizmo

whenwillisleepagain sorry to hear about your dad.

Not much to report here. Taking Alice to the doctors later as she has developed eczema and it has really flared up over the last few days and looks really sore.

On the sex front we have managed a grand total of once! However its our first wedding anniversary tomorrow and we are going out for dinner for the first time since having Alice so maybe a few glasses of vino will help!!

Nice to hear from you again gizmo. Thanks for bringing up Mirenas - I keep forgetting to go to family planning clinic to get mine sorted. Am still cross with my cervix for not letting it in on the first attempt! Getting pregnant again now would be a huge disaster, although we've also only done the deed once since Alice's arrival.

Hope you have a lovely anniversary MrsAR. We had our 4th anniversary a couple of days ago and both forgot until the day before when we received a card in the post . We're hoping to get out for a meal to celebrate next week when my parents will be visiting. Slightly more worryingly though we've received 2 anniversary cards from DH's grandma . She's always seemed very with it until now.

Sorry to hear about your dad whenwillisleepagain. Did you find the information you were looking for?

Does anyone have any top tips on making the transition from moses basket to cot? Alice has been sleeping in the basket in the cot for a few nights to get her used to it which went fine, so last night I put her directly in the cot and she wasn't so keen. Think she feels a bit overwhelmed by all the space.

Goodness! I fell off the thread. I am here but a combination of a big baby and a slow computer make writing difficult. Computer having a once over next week so hopefuly will be more active.

Am reading about you all!

greensnail - two littl things to try are using the same sheet or putting the old one in so it smells right and also when you put her in and she's settling, keep quite close around her so she's sort of enclosed. It might help.

Well we've had an eventful afternoon. Had a call from the Health Protection Agency to say that a child who was at a meeting we went to yesterday at DD1's new pre school has got measles so they are contacting everyone who was present.

They said Alice has to have a saliva swab taken to check immunity and that DD1 would have to have her 2nd MMR brought forward and that DH and I would need to check if we had had it as children.

While at Alice's appointment the nurse overheard me ask about DD1's injection and said she would do it there and then so poor DD1 had an unexpected injection!

Then HPA called back and said they had decided not to wait to get Alice swabbed but to take her tomorrow for an injection of immunoglobulins (not sure if spelt right!)

So looks like my anniversary will be spent getting ourselves and Alice jabbed! Hopefully her and DD1 won't have any adverse effects so we can still go out!

Oh mrsAR what an anniversary - I hope tomorrow goes ok. Getting a call from HPA might have been a bit of a shock, but it also sounds impressively organised of them - not sure who will do that sort of thing in the future as I seem to recall they are being abolished, hopefully that function will continue. In amongst all that, how did you get on with the eczema? My DS had it badly at around the same age - not sure all GPs are marvellous at getting on top of it.

Thanks everyone for kind comments re my dad. I found a good website, endorsed by another MN-er - pretty reassuring. So we will see what happens when he goes back to the consultant in three months' time.

Gizmo am so envious of you running. I actually think that mid evenings, I see a potential slot for me to start again, but I have this hideous heel pain for first time ever, think it came on while pregnant but can't remember (apparently common in women who gain weight suddenly, and if you have a history of achilles tendonitis). Plus my dodgy achilles tendons are stiff as boards from all the sitting around bf that life involves at moment. Heading to GP to ask for a physio referral next week. At least I don't have (touching wood) nappy wrist this time round, as that was far more incapacitating.

have a good weekend all - off to chivvy DH to go out and get us a takeaway!

Oh dear, MrsAlwaysright that's real 'coalface of parenting' stuff, isn't it? Perhaps you could reschedule your anniversary, just for this year? Still, it's exemplary co-ordination from the HPA, which makes a very nice change from the usual 'we lost your notes/test results/didn't follow the protocols' stuff I tend to see from the NHS at the moment.

Whenwill I think, runningwise, you're experiencing similar problems to me...probably entirely predictable when we've spent six months comparatively inactive and with ligament loosening hormones still skulking. I'm finding even a short run tends to produce minor, but alarming, pains in the pubis bone, reminiscent of my brush with SPD. I used to reckon it would take 6-8 weeks of slow steady runs to toughen up ligaments etc before you could try anything more ambitious, but things are so stop start for me that I keep having to go back to week 1, which is irritating. Never mind, I expect it will all gradually settle down.

Greensnail Yes, I'd suggest her old bedding as well, and perhaps swaddling? I foresee we're going to have the same situation: Hester likes to have her nose pressed up against something - bumper or cuddly toy - which I'm not keen on, but provided it's light enough I've been letting her, thinking she's big enough now not to get herself in trouble.

In other news this week has been innoculation week for us: triple jab and Men C for Hester yesterday and my annual anti-Ikea booster for me today. Honestly, five hours driving, 3 stores, over an hour queuing and 1 gravadlax & salmon is quite enough for me for this year! Not to mention the hours I shall have to put in tomorrow to put together some shelves and sort and transfer all of DS2's toys back into his room.

Scary stuff MrsAR. Sounds like HPA are being very on the ball though. Hope the child with measles is ok too.

Thanks for the moses basket to cot tips. We'll see how things go tonight as she's gone down ok. Have tried her unswaddled tonight to see if she can get some practice at thumb-finding in the night.

We've managed unswaddled at night for the last week or two greensnail, and it's gone suprisingly ok (although rubbish night last night - think I only got one stretch as long as an hour).

It's stories like yours MrsAR that make me very annoyed that there is so much misinformation out that about the MMR which puts people off having it. Hope that everyone turns out to be ok.

Lovely to see you back gizmo. I was only asking about you last week or so.

Apologies if my posting sent the sex discussion the same way as my sex life.

Only 2 weeks to both my boys being Christened, and I feel totally disorganised!

Laugh with me people:

I'm watching a BBC1 thing on '10 things you need to know about sleep.' Like it's going to help.

Hello Cantsleep!

Is one of the 10 'you could have had more if you hadn't watched this shite'?

Completely . It has also triggered my 'Fridaynightfoodslattern' habit, so supper has consisted of 3x bacon & gruyere muffins, 3x (small) glasses white wine and a large slice of tea bread.

Gannet.

I had toad in the hole with the dc and dh earlier, but this evening have managed a whole box of ikea cake things (I went this week too) and 2 tia maria and cokes .

Just wanted to say hello. I've been completely awful at keeping up with the thread - my excuse is that we moved into our new house 4 weeks ago, which combined with a 7 week old baby and 2 year old toddler was quite full on...

We're now in and settled, and life feels rather rosy! DS2 has been much easier than ds1 ever was, and I'm sure that's a combination of me being more relaxed as well as his personality. He sleeps pretty well I think, and generally goes down around 8pm, wakes up for a feed some time during the night, and then has a morning feed around 6 am/7am. Breastfeeding has not been so great - still have cracked bleeding nipples but it was the same with DS1 so am trying to persevere. Luckily DS2 takes a bottle of EBM quite happily so at least I can do that every so often to give boobs a rest.

I've not had a chance to read posts with exception of the last few and noticed the running theme. I started back running a few weeks ago, and do find I get niggly pelvic pain, but it is great to get out and feel human again :o

On the eczema front we have been given a couple of emmolients and stuff for the bath to try. From experience of DD1 I know it can be trial and error finding the right products.

On the measles front the saga continues! Took Alice this morning and after 25 mins waiting a nurse came out and said that the HPA hadn't told them what dose to give babies so until they called back we just had to wait. After I'd been there just over an hour they finally had the information they needed and she had the jab.

Nurse advised that DH and I had to go and have a jab at the out of hours clinic as they would only immunise their own patients and both DH and I go to different surgeries.

So called out of hours number gave details and had to wait for call back. Dr finally called back and seemed a bit suprised that we had been given that information so said he would make some calls and call back. Called back to say that they weren't sure if they had the right immunisations at that hospital but he would book us in this afternoon. I asked if he could call ahead and check to save us having to get the kids ready and drive over there to find they didn't have it. He's just called back to say as there are so many other people needing the jabs it is turning into a logistical nightmare and they were sending a management team to the hospital to try and sort it out. So now have to wait for another call back

I've already had to cancel an optician appointment this morning because of having to wait so long at doctors. Was given a cancellation later this afternoon but looks like a may have to cancel that too so will be liable for cancellation fee.

Some 1st Anniversary this is turning out to be!! Anyway rant over!

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Hello - also just marking place as lost you for a while there. Have backtracked a bit here with Zoe feeding constantly and waking at least 3 times between 8pm and 6am :( Am actually heavier now than when I resolved to start working on shifting the weight - so tricky as I am ravenous all the time. Any other Bfeeders feeling the same?

Great to hear from you again Gizmo - re: sex, we too have got it out of the way, but have ben too exhausted for much action beyond that. Am feeling chipper about Sep and DS1 going back to nursery - am resolved to get some structure noe Zoe is 3mths old.

dimb - never mind waking 3 times between 8pm and 6am - J wakes 3 times between 7:30pm and 9pm!!!
Am also stuffing my face and getting concerned that weight is going to start going up instead of down despite tandem feeding.

Evening all,

Inspired by mumsnet, I have just poured copious quantities of Oven Pride into my oven. Upside: potentially clean oven after 3 years of grot. Downside: have you seen the safety data sheet? You need to handle that shit with meter long pincers. Of course I am now nervously monitoring every itchy spot on my face or arms in case I've been splashed and will be discovered, a little puddle of rendered fat on the kitchen floor, in the morning.

Actually it would be quite a big puddle of rendered fat, now I come to think of it. .

Cantsleep, DIMB I feel your pain. I don't own scales and never weigh myself but there's enough flab around my middle to prevent me getting back into 50% of my pre-pregnancy clothes. However, on the bright side my appetite seems to have markedly decreased over the weekend, so I'm trying to take advantage of that & hopefully will be able to fit in a few short runs this week.

I wonder what's happening chez Filly? I knew I shouldn't have asked about routines...that's normally a cue for everything to get a bit squiggly.

Sorry to hear about your anniversary, MrsAlwaysRight that's a grotty way to spend the day. Hope Alice was OK with her jabs in the end?

Not much going on chez Gizmo except some domestic bliss - after a rather tense weekend constructing shelving and shifting endless child related guff from room to room I have finally got it all done and was able to spend today cleaning and pottering. Turns out Hester likes that a lot- most of the time she was very happy to sit where she was put and gaze around or coo at me. It helps that last night she worked out how to get her thumb to her mouth, which I think is going to revolutionise our lives...nothing but the sound of happy slurping from her carry cot when I put her to bed this evening