am I alone in being very heartened that the alquaida operative is not being deported?

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because we absolutely should not deport anyone under any circumstance who we know will be tortured.

a victory for justice and human rights today imo.

I agree that we should not deport him to be tortured. I am concerned, however, that someone who wants to kill people (including children) in this country is allowed to remain here. Is he at large or imprisoned?

I agree. It makes me proud of this country.

Ah but Proles, Kiana Farouz is a woman - that makes it completely different

under (dodgy) control order belledame.

makes no sense whatsoever proles...she's only a woman though right?

lostart (what a great song, great band) i agree, it does make me proud.

These men wanted to kill British people!

Why on earth should they not be deported? I find your attitudes disgraceful to be honest, you can be as tolerant as you like but but I want no part in playing host to potential mass murderers and racist idiots.

It makes me ashamed.
This country is a pushover and a laughing stock the world over.Wringing hands and wittering over 'human rights' of such people.

This is absolutely appalling.

Why in heaven's name should Britain give sanctuary to terrorists?

The Foreign Office should ask assurance from the Pakistani authorities that he will not be tortured - and then deport him as soon as possible.

so it's ok for us to sanction torturers? it's ok for us knowingly to send someone to be tortured?

what exactly separates us from the people we're villifying then?

(proles it's popcorn time methinks)

moondog, rather in the same way that I hope to instill a sense of integrity in ds so that playground taunts wash over him, so I am not in the least bothered that britain is considered a 'pushover and laughing stock' by you. i'm not sure which nationstates agree however.

But isn't that decision in breach of MY human rights as this person has been deemed a danger to the British Public.

I do support Human rights & believe that in the vast majority of cases we should not deprt people to situations of harm BUT there has to be a balance & our government & the legal system has a duty to protect US the public too.
Whilst I don't enjoy the fact that we should support this man with our hard earned & much needed taxes he should remain in custody until someone see's sense & deports him.

longfinger...that's exactly it, they can't get that assurance. they know he will be tortured. remember he hasn't actually commited a crime yet, only intent (which in fact is why control orders are so dodgy).

imo how a society looks after it's most hated is a measure of it's civilisation.

Sanction torure (allegedly) or condone murder.

Hmmmmm. Tough choice eh?
Not for me.

But hey, it's easy to come over all Amnesty international with this as you sit back in your comfortable homes and sip your Chablis.

NO how a society looks after its MOST VULNERABLE is a measure of civalisation & whilst he has the terorist organisations that he ahs been linked with at his disposal he is far from vulnerable

Oooh, Chablis, I'd love a glass of Chablis

I agree with sophable btw

This is a tough one. I do not want to live in a country that sanctions torture or the death penalty. The problem, though, is that no country wants to be harbouring terrorists and if we can't send them back to their countries of origin, we're a bit stuffed.

I am, at heart, very liberal (small l!) but I would be happier if people we know to be terrorists and/or a threat to the security of the UK were imprisoned. I know that's harsh and I can think of lots of reasons why that's wrong. It's my emotional response. Which, in honesty, has changed completely since I've had a child.

He wanted British people dead!!! He can find another mug country to seek sanctuary in. I don't want to pay for him or his family to stay here and plot to kill me and my family.

What an utter joke! Again in the name of Human Rights.

moondog, i commute in london, and therefore I don't think chablis will protect me and feel this is more pertinent to me than for example you in a countryside location right? so please don't come all indignant like that.

how on earth do you extrapolate from this that the high court is 'condoning murder'? have you got your thick hat on tonight or what? expect better of you tbh.

they are not murderers either, haven't actually done anything yet.

I spend great big chunks of time in Muslim countries and have a very clear idea of how we are perceived.

Peopel despise wets. They don't respect them or admire them or attempt to emulate them.

They snigger and then take advantage mercilessly.

two accusations of thickness on one thread...must be a virus going round.

i understand that this isn't easy to swallow, however, it really is a measure of our civilisation. torture is wrong. under any circs. if we deport him, we really are sanctioning/condoning it.

moondog, again, i really really don't mind being thought of as wet...is not being thought of as wet a good definer of govt policy I wonder?