am I alone in being very heartened that the alquaida operative is not being deported?

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because we absolutely should not deport anyone under any circumstance who we know will be tortured.

a victory for justice and human rights today imo.

So let's keep him here so he can have a proper go. Maybe whilst your at it you could ask him what he was on about discussing a 'wedding' that never actually took place or was planned. I agree that it is circumstantial evidence but had the security forces been more viligent there would be many many families in the UK who would not be suffering now.

The court have accepted they are a threat to the country, sophable

Oh radio 4 thats OK then Sophable... the people at the BBC ahve their finger on the pulse they will keep us safe!
The SS processes & quite franky the minimal resources at their disposal does not make for the type of institution that can slap a control order on someone for "showing an interest" or a typo in google

I think you maybe you've watched one too many editions of Sppoks!

The only reason they didn't get caught with the evidence was because that numpty was photographed leaving No 10 with documents which gave details of the operation so the police had to arrest them before they had planned.

Sophable, I think you are being extremely naive. I have much more respect for Mollie O whose life has been put at risk by the sort of peop0le whose rights you defend

Sophable, The principle you refer to is a good one, but you seem to have it twisted.

We can't for example just go around beating up terrorists because no matter how we dislike them we have to give them the same rights as us. That part is correct.

BUT.. deporting them to their own country is NOT taking away those rights. It's not a human right to be sheltered by a country you happen to be attacking.

Radio 4
aka Smug Central

onagar, this isn't a principle, this is our law as it stands! we don't deport where we know there is a risk of torture.

Well then the law is an ass.

Oh OK so shall we wait til he's blown up a load of people and then deport him, would that be OK?

I don;t agree with torture however letting someone stay in this country when they are a known threat to the people of this country is insane however you look at it. I don;t know what the answer is, but the decision today is ridiculous.

I'm going to leave this discussion now before I get too wound up.

sophable do you actually know anyone who has been affected by terrorism? It is very easy to have your approach to HR when you don't. Let me tell you it is a whole different story when your life and that of your family is directly affected. I would like to think I would have humanity to these two but knowing what they would like to do to you and many others in this country I would feel safer if they and their fellow believers were not living within striking distance of my life.

LOLMoondog- what would you know anyway, being a bit 'fick'

moondog have you got leather chaps on and a bloke in a gimp mask on a leash? what is with the whole macho butch posturing....radio 4 is 'smug central' so therefore the interview with the man wrongly put under a control order must be tosh what???????

That's complete bollocks.
Torture (whatever your defnition) is practiced in many places in the world (including our own).

People are sent back to horrid mean countries all the time (or at least on rare occasion immigration services get their arses into gear and boot out people who weren't invited)

Are you not well either?
Squawling and wailing like GS because we don't agree with you?

you know, deporting him doesn't make you safer! it means he can plan from abroad, get back here under different identity, or just go and bomb somewhere else (is that ok with you guys?).

Sophable, do you agree with my point that we are less safe with him here than not?

ok so lord carlile on newsnight tonight was wrong when he stated that it was the law. so sorry!

where am i wailing and squalling? i'm laughing at most of the posts on here (i would cry if i didn't tbh).

I would rather he did bomb somewhere other than where I call home, tbh. Why does this have to remain my problem?

So if the appeal had been lost and he was deported you'd be ok with that then since it would have been within our laws?

You are ok about the ones who were deported?

Ah!
So you accept the danger these people pose.
Let's start a new industry then-corralling all the baddies in Blighty.
Heaven knows, it might work. We've no other useful skills to offer.

we're much safer mrsR with him under surveillance here if he does pose the threat as stated.

Sophable don't be under any illusions that these terrorist organisations are some poor unheard minority, they have the very best in both legal representation & PR machines & like all global organisations are very good at manipulating the media.

I respect Shami and Liberty but I have to disagree with her profoundly here. This man and his associates came here as 'students', as far as I can see. They did not seek asylum, they came on time-limited visas. So they should have been sent home when those 'studies' were no longer necessary

What's more, any immigrant who plans to commit crime, especially murder, fgs, has chosen to give up their right to stay in this country.

If you want to be protected from torture in your home country, then you should behave yourself in the country where you claim sanctuary. Seems a reasonable exchange to me.

We live in a mad world where you have one set of judges deciding strike action is such a horrifying threat to society that it can't possibly be allowed and another lot saying 'hey, terrorists, come over here, you'll be welcome'.

But sophable, he's a softy wofty puppykins, he won't come back and bomb us under a new identity, surely?

Keep your friends close but your enemies closer