So...why do we hate the Conservatives so much?

[Chulita]

And why do we think Labour has anything left to offer after 13 years?

Just wondering...

As I've posted earlier I view the petty bickering between the tories and labour to be the single most destructive influence on our country.

Labour thuggery or tory neglect was the only choice. The city of London has benefited, as have the trade unions, but the rest of us are all far weaker, poorer and more alienated as a result.

So with no UKIP manifesto to stand behind, Farage and he’s internet hordes feel that they have the right to criticize the other three established party’s ( with democratically elected seats in parliament) policies, and cherry pick populist issues for electoral gain? How very politically brave of you all.

No current serious policies on serious issues, headed by an ex City commodities speculator, who admitted to heavy personal betting and drinking (as City traders often do, including being taken out expenses paid to lap dancing clubs by inter dealer brokers) – no wonder you call Ukip ‘different’ – but hardly the credentials to run a boozed up country, up to it’s eyeballs in debt, and trying to rebalance its economy away from relying on the City. IMO.

Ermmm Labour had shut down more mines prior to Maggie coming in....just saying.

I don't hate the Tories, they're doing good things for the economy. Fixing the mess that Labour always seems to make.

And don't be fooled by the belief that only the Tories are toffs that went to the top schools....they all did! Even Cleggs lot.

Exactly HMG83. :)

Because they're cunts.

I don't.

Best answer I've seen yet....

I'm sensing anger there, I could be wrong.

To be fair to the tories it is merely the modern world which has caught up with them. There was a time when communications were slow and intermittent when the oldboy network was a genuinely efficient way of running things.

If you knew a chap who had buggered you senseless at Eton who happened to work in the foreign office then at least you were on first name terms.

The idea that the more able create wealth for the plebs and that ability is hereditary has no basis in science or common sense, yet they stick to it because without it they have nothing left. In fact their biggest mistake was in reverting to the etonian bumchums when Major turned out to be as wet a prime minister as we have ever had.

Not that I excuse the mind filth that characterises Tory thinking, it is worth putting in context though. They abandoned conservatism many moons ago except conserving the power of the old boy network and have appeared and acted clueless ever since.

Spin…similar to Labour, you can tell when an opposition party has nothing to say, they have to concoct a class ‘war’ and make up stories showing their ignorance of politics, only in your case you are now PRETENDING to be representing the ‘working class’, which looking at your son of a stockbroker/city trader leader, your two press baron/city insurance broker Lords, and other senior member characters, is frankly laughable.

The only other party that can win the 2015 general election (Labour) had a postman, ships steward, numerous sponsored trade union MP’s so all made up ‘the peoples party’, who have severely betrayed the working class with their policies e.g. immigration, and as Greece found, a deeply indebted country needed cuts, a bankrupt State had the poor going through bins looking for food

As to the class and policy mistruths the mainly ex Tory rejects called Ukip e.g. Farage, like to peddle, in the post below I will AGAIN show that core Conservatism (within some constraints of a coalition) is alive and well with Cameron.

Cameron away from the politically ignorant is already seen as a brave politician putting through sometimes unpopular but much needed reforms, whereas Farage is, and will always be known as the no policy man in the pub, with a big mouth – what Ukip minions call new politics that are different.lol
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10541766/David-Cameron-the-great-reformer.html

Spin...On Tory policies, silly micro issues just prove Ukip posters ignorance of BIG PICTURE stuff that defines a successful country. Personal income tax rates in 1979 started at 32p, then 68p I believe. Tax on unearned income (from investments) was 90 odd % and should any business manage to make a profit in the pre Thatcher economic death spiral of 20% inflation/wages, the Corporate Tax Rate was 50% - and all these come down over Conservative administrations to stimulate MORE tax growth, so they are the PROVEN party of lower taxes for all.

Re the taxes for the rich, they are paying MORE under the Coalition, than Labour in 2010 OR Ukip, who proposed a Flat rate income tax and national Insurance of 32p, to help the oil traders of the world. The raising of top rate tax to 50p after 13-years in office by Labour, they budgeted would bring in £4-5 billion, brought in £100 million – and as one of the highest rates in the world, discouraged inward investment who’s company decision makers would have to pay it.

As for the size of the tax sapping State, which should be around 40% of any country’s economy but became 54% under Labour, the Tories from Thatcher on have believed it should be as big as it NEEDS to be – so ‘the people’ keep more of their own earnings in order to save or afford their own choices e.g. private pensions.

Conservative administration records show, they are PRO lower taxes & increased savings and ANTI uncontrolled public sector hiring (1 million from 1997 to 2010) anti uncontrolled/unsustainable rising benefits through a boom in employment, anti uncontrolled immigration, anti dumbing down childrens education, anti 90% of police at any time sitting on bums in stations, anti C.Diff germs in hospitals, anti annually living beyond this countries means, anti National debt and anti socialist politicians who believed in ALL of the above.

Those basic economic building blocks, proven to grow an economy, is what Conservative politicians have proven whilst in office, and that clearly uniformed Ukip ‘members’ ridiculously call ‘letting the nation down’ while without even one seat in Westminster, amateurishly and opportunistically, flip flopping policies to pretend they are an ‘alternative’ to Conservative success stories.

Has anyone mentioned lying yet?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/460056/NO-negotiation-of-freedom-of-movement-says-defiant-EU-President-Jose-Manuel-Barroso

"Mr Farage said: "It's clear isn't it? He says one thing back at home to his cabinet, his backbenchers, his voters and the British people, but is doing quite another thing when he goes over to Brussels.

"Here is a man who is trying to convince the general public that he can somehow reform the EU and yet the Commission President has said absolutely no proposals have been put forward and any renegotiation of significance would be virtually impossible as it would require all member states agreeing.

"He also repeated that the free movement of people was not up for grabs. All Cameron is doing is spinning a line back home to try to stay in power.

"What was also startling was Barroso revealing that the EU were waiting to see if Britain's position will change in the next Government. He clearly thinks Cameron is out the back door along with his sham referendum pledge and sham renegotiation promise after the next general election."

He added: "Everything that has come out of Cameron's mouth since his Bloomberg Europe speech over a year ago has been totally rubbished today.""

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So there is no renegotiation... All a pack of lies.

Two words: Michael Gove.

I don't think the vast majority DO hate the Conservatives. Theyre a great party for those who only care about themselves and their own needs, and want to make them feel better about scorning others who have 'less'. Most people I come across will find reasons to say at least a couple of Conservative policies are great. Labour are out of fashion in this non-community, its all about me society. Times have changed. I cant stand what the Conservatives represent - but then again as a lifelong Labour supporter I cant stand Ed 'nothing constructive to say about anything' Milliband either.

I think political party propaganda and stereotyping built up over the years you allude to have been proved wrong by their policies and records in power.

I could argue very strongly that based on policies and/or records in office, with the opportunity over many years of consecutive administrations, the Conservatives have done far more for the low to middle classes than Labour did DESPITE both parties inheriting very different economic and social conditions.

Furthermore, the stereotyping of the Lib Dems as a party of sandal wearing tree huggers not equipped for government has also been proved wrong, as if they’d stuck to historic policy differences, the minority government Conservatives would not have been able to hit the ground running, implement savings/reforms and stop the country slipping into chaos.

For Ukip, without any record in office or any mainstream policies from a manifesto to stand by, telling porkies they can bring the Uk out of the E.U., their stereotyping as bigots at least, remains firmly intact.

How much are they paying you to post here, Isitmebut? I'm afraid your silly propaganda isn't going to work, as enough people have real-world experience with Tory policies to know them for the hateful, nasty party that they are and that they only represent the interests of the rich.

ttosca…no one pays me to post here, does your twisted ideology that refuses to accept the ingrained and unsustainable problems in the UK economy by 1979, or selective amnesia having just experienced the most corrupt, incompetent and damaging government in living memory, - not even consider that I, my family and society as a whole for generations to come are not angry at Labour NOW, rather than inaccurate folk law passed down for 35-years?

What is it about the Labour Party and their fanatical support that cannot see their recent utter betrayal of the working man, not by accident but by policy design, if not due to some ideological sickness of envy, masked as their crusade? Interesting reading here, that explains your illness better than I can.

“It’s no coincidence the MPs found guilty of fiddling are all Labour”

“The party may take the moral high ground, but lying and cheating are deep in its DNA”

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10462871/Its-no-coincidence-the-MPs-found-guilty-of-fiddling-are-all-Labour.html

“But one puzzling question remains. Why is it that only Labour MPs have been found guilty of expenses fraud as a result of the Telegraph revelations?”

“It is especially perplexing because the party in general strongly feels itself to be the embodiment of decency and morality. Indeed Labour has always insisted that the Conservatives are the party of venality, greed and selfishness. How baffling it is, then, that only Labour MPs have been sent to jail as a result of the Telegraph revelations.”

“Paradoxically, I believe that it is Labour’s belief in its own higher morality – what Bertrand Russell called the “superior virtue of the oppressed” – that has led to its downfall. Our two major political parties have emerged from rival philosophical traditions. Labour hails from the progressive school, which is fundamentally optimistic about human nature, but believes that our humanity is thwarted and twisted by social institutions. Conservatives are the opposite. They are pessimistic about human nature, and believe that life can only be conducted within the framework of existing institutions and the rule of law.”

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100257586/labour-supporters-admit-it-taxes-are-to-punish-the-rich-not-to-raise-revenue/

“No, this is a blog about the mind-set of people (in Labour) who see taxation, not as an unpleasant necessity, but as a way to punish others.

Envy is an ugly and debilitating condition, but it seems to have an evolutionary-biological basis. The dosage varies enormously from individual to individual but even toddlers often display a sense that, if they can’t have something, no one else should either. If they had the vocabulary, they would doubtless, like the 69 per cent of Labour supporters, explain that emotion “on moral grounds”. Few toddlers, and few Labour voters, openly admit to being actuated by vindictiveness.”

No-one pays you to post?

Is that because you aren't very good at it?

I take PinkTeddy points.

..The tories traditionally get left to make the tough decisions after labour empty the coffers.. tory haters always refer to the Thatcher era and mine closeures - without recognising that taxpayers were paying vast sums to keep hugely loss-making mines open. Extremely tough call.. to take people livlihoods away.. but at what point do we decide that enough is enough.? take a look at Venezuela five to ten years ago.. Chavez 'transformed' healthcare, homelessness and education.. but all at the expense of entrepenuers and private business.. and when the global oil price crashed, Chavez had nowhere to go.. quickly ran out of money.. and Venezuelans are starving, have no healthcare and soaring crime. The socialist 'way' would be beautiful but for the real fact that ultimately it destroys more than it cures.

Extremely tough call.. to take people livlihoods away

This is the problem for me.

And what did they replace it with?

Right to buy? And what did they replace the houses with?

milk in schools? What did they replace it with?

For me there is one correlation, they did nothing for the people they made a hard call for, in the name of what is good for GB. Nothing is thought out past their term in office.

The native American tribe the Iroquois think about how their decisions today will affect the tribe 7 generations from now. Politicians (but I've mostly had conservatives) don't.

In case I need to spell it out for you, it doesn't require Mystic Meg to foresee that if in 1988 40% or more people with the right to buy (at a massive discount), do so, with no rebuilding projects to replace them, then 20-30 years on there will be a shortage by the second generation.

I like the Tories and have just joined the Party.
I hate Labour.

#Gove for PM

I hate Labour too. And the Tories.

Gove is Murdoch's puppy. Revolting little man.

Politics in the UK is currently populated by intellectual lightweights who could never ever claim to be statesmen or women.

What a lovely title for a thread - do you really hate people that you have probably never had a conversation with. This typifies what is wrong with left wing politics - that this thread even exists speaks volumes about the mentality of left wing politics. You have already hung drawn and quartered anyone that dares to think outside the box

@InfidelForever (nice name) I would counter that Conservatives (the ones in power not the voters) do not think outside the box. I say this because they are actually in power.

Instead of coming after left-wing type people, with this "they all hate me for no reason" rhetoric/whining (you choose), which seems to be the American way to be honest. Why not tell us the policies you are so proud of to call yourself, well, "not left-wing. If anything this is your time to shine.

Also when discussing those policies do remember to make sure their Tory policies and nonee of their recent partners'.

Many thanks interested to hear your thoughts.