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Depressed lefties sign in here...

878 replies

WilfSell · 02/05/2010 20:20

...on the grounds that if we assume there will be a Tory govt, then the crowing triumphalism of all the Chinless Wonders and Thrusting Monetarists and Nasty Racists who'll poke in here to crow and gloat, will somehow force a cosmic rift in the time-space continuum. And it will be like 1992 all over again but the other way round.

I fear the best we can hope for is a hung parliament.

I've suggested hemlock for the Election Night supper thread...

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policywonk · 03/05/2010 17:54

I'd love to vote Plaid, but they don't put up candidates in Surrey. Tsk.

TDiddy · 03/05/2010 17:55

Do you have room for a centrist? "Third Way er" sort of thing? Need to mop us up to keep the Tories out.

policywonk · 03/05/2010 17:58

The security on this thread is shoddy, TDiddy. I was out leafletting for the LibDems today and I'm allowed to post...

Takver · 03/05/2010 17:58

Very happy to meet some centrists - especially if you'll help us riot for proportional representation (maybe this is the way forward - can you get them out on the streets in Surery, PW?

Mind you, I know a lot of people round here who won't vote Plaid because of the badger cull - me, I'm a cynical bastard put people above animals, & if they had a chance of getting in here I'd vote for them any day as a good leftward pull to Labour, plus taking some note of the rural vote.

Takver · 03/05/2010 17:59

sorry, "Surrey", of course

TDiddy · 03/05/2010 18:00

Yes, I am campaiging for bothe Labour and Lib-Dems: you just have to save that George Osbourne is one heratbeat away from PM and Michael Gove...well...a few heart beats

TDiddy · 03/05/2010 18:01

... you just have to say save that..

policywonk · 03/05/2010 18:03

'I know a lot of people around here who won't vote Plaid because of the badger cull' - you couldn't make it up, could you? (Speaking of which, did anyone hear Kelvin Mackenzie doing 'What the Papers Say' on R4 last night? I had to take the batteries out of the radio.)

PR - if we don't get a hung parliament this time, I think the best way forward will be for Labour voters to lobby individual MPs and threaten to withhold votes next time unless that MP joins the burgeoning pro-PR movement within the Labour party (Milibands, Johnson are on board). Then go hell-for-leather for a Lib-Lab coalition at the next GE.

Coolfonz · 03/05/2010 18:10

I'm likely going to vote Respect just in the hope they beat Labour where I'm living. But my vote is immaterial, electoral politics is rarely meaningful, especially now...

We have two very right wing parties vying for power. They both believe in their right to kill innocent people to achieve political goals. They believe in monetarism and control of economics by a narrow private elite. They believe in supporting vicious military juntas around the world.

Ten years ago the left - the real left not Labour - were out fighting against banking cartels, monetarist economics, militarism and imperialism...

You (Labour supporting) lot made your bed...how long is the next recession? A year, five, six, seven? What will be left to cut then? Where will you turn?

HerHonesty · 03/05/2010 18:30

was out and about in southampton today. came face to face with DC on at 3-4 massive billboards. It made me feel physically sick in the stomach. BUT it did galvinise me to get of my arse and get back involved with the labour party. I've been a complete apologist for the last 5 years and whilst i am not naive - one person makes very little difference - my only solice is that thursday perhaps will be the turning point to get us back on the road of social democracy.

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PfftTheMagicDragon · 03/05/2010 19:10

I live in a Tory safe seat, though the MP is standing down thanks to the expenses scandal so maybe that will swipe a few seats from them, though we have been Tory forever so probably not.

TDiddy · 03/05/2010 19:43

I am in a Tory safe seat but was out a few times with neighbouring marginal MP. Will try to get out once more before the election

geekgirl · 03/05/2010 20:03

just signing in - am in a Tory safe seat, though old MP has resigned partly due to expenses scandal, and new Tory candidate is helicoptered-in London businessman, so fingers crossed... One of my best friends is the LibDem PPC so have been leafletting for her - doing a bit more this week. I don't have British citizenship so can't vote, am trying to do my bit for the leftist cause in other ways...
Tis all looking rather glum though

foxinsocks · 03/05/2010 20:07

I don't know why you are depressed. You need to look at the polls. The Tories are actually about 5/6 points worse off than they were at the start of April. Labour are unchanged and the LibDems have picked up what the Tories have lost.

Labour need a final push and they might just do it.

Their biggest problem is the press - all gunning for a Tory victory and that does have an impact on voters (especially people who like to vote for someone they think might win).

But with my purely impartial head on, Brown has had an extraordinarily strong week. His speech today was incredibly inspirational, not aggressive (i.e. attacking other parties) - even the BBC reporter said afterwards how amazing it was (i'm sure they won't show that at 10pm lol).

I'm not sure the press will report that sadly (maybe they will) but it's certainly not all over.

ps just to depress yourself further, read this about the future tories gunning behind Cameron. So much for compassionate conservatism.

washington post article on the up and coming tories

Heathcliffscathy · 03/05/2010 20:08

you know, she (he?) is strident, even more so than me, but you can't argue with coolfonz. new labour's record is absolutely shocking.

and i really, the more i think about it, cannot believe that so many so called socialists, with principles, can 'put the war to one side' as onebat asked me to do yesterday.

shame on you really.

and i also agree (and made the point below) and bemoaning your own personal financial fates on here (as a lot of you are) is absolutely no different to what you accuse the tories of.

Libdem and a coalition that forces through electoral change is a fantastic scenario. if any of you have an consience left you'll make it happen on thursday.

totally agree that tony blair is a war criminal and should be on trial at the hague, how on earth can we go after corrupt african regimes and let him mop up on the lecture circuit. it is entirely beyond me.

foxinsocks · 03/05/2010 20:12

(I mean the popular press gunning for the tories )

8rubberduckies · 03/05/2010 20:18

Ilovemydogandmrobama I have a sneaking suspicion we live in the same constituency... I am changing my mind about who to vote for every 30 seconds at the moment, and I know my vote could make a huge difference

Takver · 03/05/2010 20:20

Sophable, if you lived in a lab/cons marginal where no-one else has a chance of winning (LDs & Plaid split the remaining third half way each) - what would you vote?

Heathcliffscathy · 03/05/2010 20:21

how big a swing do you need for a libdem win?

and in fact, worth upping libdems numbers overall to give the plea for electoral reform real weight.

Takver · 03/05/2010 20:27

Last time was 36.6% cons, 35% lab, 12.9% LD, 12.3% Plaid (who would probably be my first choice) and 1.3 % for poor old Molly Scott Cato for the Greens (why did she stand here?).
I'm not convinced that upping the LDs numbers will help unless we get a hung parliament, hence why I think I'm better off with a tactical labour vote

taffetacat · 03/05/2010 20:33

Takver I am

How wonderful to be in a constituency where your vote actually makes a difference

clemette · 03/05/2010 20:33

Slightly more upbeat today. DH (life-long LibDem) came home with a "Independents for Nick Palmer" placard (our standing Labour MP) and put it up next to my big red poster.

He is a dyed-in-the wool liberal capitalist, but can't stand the thought the the Tories might be making decisions about our children's schooling (Clause 28 anyone?)

ilovemydogandmrobama · 03/05/2010 20:34

8rubberduckies I did my own test a few weeks ago. Sent the Lib Dem MP an email asking about his position on the cider tax, and an email to the Labor candidate about the boundary change. The Labor candidate responded the same day, but an assistant for the Lib Dem sent me an email back 18 days later asking for my address. Oh, and when I suggested it was a bit of a long wait, the response was that he had other constituents, which was heart breaking for me as I thought I was the only one

Takver · 03/05/2010 20:37

taffetacat I would be happier if I were one constituency up, where the numbers are almost the same, but you can replace labour/cons with the Lib Dems (36.5% last time) and Plaid (35.9%) - now there's a real choice for you