UKIP. I'm voting for them. This is why;

[crystal123]

UKIP want us out of the EU, I love Europe can't stand the EU.We pay 40 million a day to them
1)72% of our laws are now made in Brussells, from fuel taxes, farming,fishing and immigration.
2)We pay £40 million a day to be in the EU.
3)The Two richest countries in Europe-Norway and Switzerland are not even in the EU.
4)Under labour we now have 3.5 million extra people living in this country. We need proper border controls. Nick Cleggs policy is to count people in and out of the country, and force them to work in 'regions' totally unworkable. UKIP would keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers.
5)UKIP does not appear to be anti-christian as do the other parties. The labour parties spin doctor Alistair Campbell said they "don't do God!" I do.
6)UKIP believes in holding referendums for the electorate on key local and international issues. I like this.
7)Crime is now out of contol, UKIP would build more prisons. Last but not least, Lord Pearson (leader) is 'posh' and does not try to hide it.

100x....They planned it....

Mass immigration, flood the country...get them all on benefits, get them all voting Labour....They knew the country was mainly Tory, ..even the poorer working classes were voting Tory....

But they fucked up....they went too far...and now you have the BNP and UKIP.

I see.

And they knew the country was mostly Tory after the massive Labour landslide of 1997 did they?

No, BNP not new. Ultra right wing groups been around for ages and ages and ages.

ST.GEORGE as I have said I could not give a toss about their views, or how many attack me. I knew when putting in the OP I would have lots of flack, but one has to 'put it out there'. This post has now had 871 posts, so my work is nearly done! I love your nickname. Should have thought of it myself! But then I am very girly, and non-feminist so I think Crystal suits me, plus I make my posts 'Crystal clear' to all the others!

LOL....The only reason Labour got in in 97' was because they sold their soul.....

My understanding is that UKIP is a break-off party formed over concern within the Conservative parties stand on Europe and the Euro? No?

Ironically, before this thread I'd have said that UKIP very different from BNP.

Now, I think that might have been wrong.

Crystal, you cite a recent 'orchestrated policy to increase immigration into this country', but I wonder what evidence you can cite here to back this up? And is the Jack Straw you mention the same Jack Straw who put on record his disquiet at talking to Muslim women wearing the veil?

In any case, as an intelligent person with a grasp of history, you will be aware that any such 'orchestrated policy', if it exists, can be dated back much earlier. When Enoch Powell was Minister of Health in the 1960s, he encouraged the migration of Commonwealth citizens into the UK to work in the NHS.

You will also be aware of the 'white Australia' policy that existed until the mid 70s, which was surely an attempt to ensure the re-election of successive Europeanised governments in Australia - the country to which you are thinking of moving.

I believe both episodes are well documented, but can post sources if you like.

Yes they have, the old BNP (NF) /combat 18 have been around for years.....but only now have they broken into mainstream politics.

COOLFONZ You do go on.........that teacher should have hit you over the head with a dumbell!

UKIP are not as far right as the BNP....our UKIP "ativist" is a 65 yr old retired teacher...(female)

SLUG with a nickname like yours, our lovely police have probably already felt your collar, when you were demonstrating at Greenham Common!

CALLMEDAVE Yes you do, cos I like your nickname!

Oh I don't know DP - Mosley's fascists in the 1930s were probably considered as mainstream as BNP are now really.

Don't think it's a new thing at all.

' I hate hypocrisy from Liberals who bleat on about centre right groups hating other people, and then live in areas (as Jack Straw does) were their is not one foreign person

Where ar these areas please? Certainly twenty years ago I could ahve looked around me and said ohh you mean ehre (I lived in Somerset) but not now, not at all. Those areas if they exoist are pretty rare.

Mind, when we moved to this city one of the best things is the wide range of races and faiths. of course I am a liberal with a degree in world religions so am in no way going to be thinking the same way about it as you.

My expreice is that when you talk to people like my friends back home who have expereicned a sudden influx of immigrants then tehya re the ones looking at BNP, UKIP. When you talk to epople ehre who ahve had a Mosque and a wide mix for amny eyars, or to people like my children (oldest now grown enough to discuss) then they do not see half the problem.

Now of course there ar emore extreme areas such as barnsleya dn ica nnot answer for them, but this has certainly been what I have witnessed and it gives me hope that the real fear is not xenophobia but a basic fear of change that will be wiped out in a generation as long as sensible immigration control is enacted now. By sensible I eman lib Dem sensiebl, not UKIP or BNP.

And never, ever a limit on asylum seekers becuase that would make me ashamed to be British. I don't mean ones found to be bogus (although there's a lot of denbate to be ahd about soem definitions of safe return ) but those found to be genuine.

HUNDREDTIMES You are right, many UKIP members and supporters are old Tories. Nigel Farage the old leader, was a Tory but broke away from them over the EU, He's been a member of UKIP since they were started in 1993.

Oh and wrt to OP

As a Christian I don't feel the UK is anti christian at all. In fact where I live too much the other way still. Faith schools might be ahrd to access in some laces but ehre there's no bloody alternatives.

Crime is out of control- is it ever in control? I thought a lot of ststs were showing a significant improvement? Where I live has just discovered we have the same burglary rate as London although being in wales; yet i don't feel scared on stripped fo my safety.

Daftpunk, thanks for answering my post (am having trouble with keeping up, as RL is distracting me from writing/keeping an eye on the thread).

My point really was twofold. First, if your family were immigrants, you know that immigration is not a recent phenomenon. Second, if your family experienced racism, perhaps you can see that other immigrants today find this racism frightening and (to say the least) parts of this thread may fuel their fears.

And don't you think it's a little sweeping to imply that immigrants today come here 'expecting free housing and god knows what else, ... illegal immigrants allowed to roam free committing any crime they like'. You are not so daft as to believe that all, or even many, immigrants arrive here with those expectations. Most immigrants, like your parents, come here 'to work and have a better life'.

PinkoLiberal - you know I love you dearly, but would you mind spell checking your posts? I can see that they are all typos but they are almost physically painful..

If you use Chrome or (i think) Firefox (maybe some others) you will get spell checking within these forms.

Crystal - do you think UKIP members worried about being lumped in with racists like BNP? I'm sure I would be!

V.ture 100x...it's not a new thing at all.

Oh and Crime just ISN'T out of control. It suits ALL poiticians to pretend that it is, so that they can then sell you the solution. Like air fresheners. Obviously if you have been in power for 13 years then you need a more nuanced approach.

Princessfiormide. To invite people to work here from the Commonwealth is not the same as wanting votes, or building a multicultural society. I'm not good with this link thing, but shall show you where it has been reported about in the press. (later as I have to go out) Cabinet papers were seen that implicate both Jack Straw and Blair in an 'open door policy'. Obornes book clearly says it, and he's not been sued!.

Peachy....is that you..?

PinkoLiberal, I totally agree with you on fear of change, attitudes of the next generation, and asylum seekers.

Crystal, Daftpunk has paid me the courtesy of replying to my post to her. Could you please do the same by replying to the questions I asked you earlier?

Sorry Crystal, x-post.