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UKIP. I'm voting for them. This is why;

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crystal123 · 20/04/2010 11:57

UKIP want us out of the EU, I love Europe can't stand the EU.We pay 40 million a day to them
1)72% of our laws are now made in Brussells, from fuel taxes, farming,fishing and immigration.
2)We pay £40 million a day to be in the EU.
3)The Two richest countries in Europe-Norway and Switzerland are not even in the EU.
4)Under labour we now have 3.5 million extra people living in this country. We need proper border controls. Nick Cleggs policy is to count people in and out of the country, and force them to work in 'regions' totally unworkable. UKIP would keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers.
5)UKIP does not appear to be anti-christian as do the other parties. The labour parties spin doctor Alistair Campbell said they "don't do God!" I do.
6)UKIP believes in holding referendums for the electorate on key local and international issues. I like this.
7)Crime is now out of contol, UKIP would build more prisons. Last but not least, Lord Pearson (leader) is 'posh' and does not try to hide it.

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TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 27/04/2010 09:22

coolfonz, you totally had me there, I thought, "oh how odd, I was reading that in the paper this morning and didn't notice it was an Islamic school..."

crystal123 · 27/04/2010 09:23

Lulumamm Just as I Thought, a nimby, living in a middle class area, and hoping that those nasty poor/uneducated people are not plonked next door to her, in a housing estate! The poor suffer the most as said from 'Mass Immigration' but, who cares? as long as I'm quaffing my wine, got my children in faith school, (even though, I have no faith). What matters is me

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TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 27/04/2010 09:26

Good for you, Stgeorge, you stand up for what you believe in.

It would take maybe 5 minutes to explain why you think British culture is under threat.

And then we'd be taking you a little more seriously, instead of writing you off as xenophobic idiots.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 27/04/2010 09:28

crystal so basically you're pissed off because you can't get a council house?

Do you really think you'll get one in Australia?

crystal123 · 27/04/2010 09:30

claig Well said.

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ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 09:30

That's a good point claig, I don't think you'd need an interpreter to talk to a Dutch person either. Fantastically well-educated bunch, ime.

I think I disagree with some on this thread, I think there is such a thing as British culture actually. I even think I could maybe spell out what it is, for me.

I don't have any problem with the ideas of nationhood.

I do have a problem with that sense being hijacked by right wing nutters who gather around the flag and declare it to be white and claim themselves the one and only patriots, and anybody who disagrees with them to be ENEMIES.

Whereas actually their narrow-mindedness stands in direct contradiction to the extraordinary creative mix of individuality, thoughtfulness, humanity and flexibility which is evidenced in the mix of the british national cultural and historical identity which runs from Shakespeare to Dickens to Punk, through kings, queens, protestants, catholics, muslims and onwards, swooping and circling and changing and evolving.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 27/04/2010 09:30

..and I notice that you made the same accusation to me that you made to lulumaam, and then shut up when I pointed out I live in Birmingham.

Have you got any other clever suggestions as to why I don't hate other ethnic groups?

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 27/04/2010 09:32
callmeDave · 27/04/2010 09:33

There is a mosque in my town. Do I qualify to have an opinion?

sungirltan · 27/04/2010 09:35

look

none of that, afaik, is under any kind of threat from immigration. which is good because i am actully quite proud of lots of things on that page :-)

crystal123 · 27/04/2010 09:45

princessfiorminde In defence of DP, the government had an orchestrated policy to increase immigation into this country. Jack Straw and Tony Blair wanted votes and as many foreign people and immigrants to vote labour,so they created the 'open door policy' The policy was to create a multicultural society and put two fingers up to the Tories. Jack Straw in fact when trying to push through the 'hate crimes bill' wrote to every mosque in the country and asked them to vote for him, and he would ensure this bill was passed. In part the bill was passed to frighten people into not complaining about mass immigration, in case they were visited by the thought police. As said earlier in this thread Peter Oborne in his book The Rise of political lying states this, (with sources) but was only recently leaked to the press. If there are any people to blame for mass immigration and the rise of the BNP. It is Tony Blair and Jack Straw, and others, compliant with their acts.

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crystal123 · 27/04/2010 09:56

Heathen.Council House I lived in one! but not until they moved us when I was a kid, from a private one- bedroomed slum. Now I live in a nice big house that I own with DH. I have a strong sense of social justice, unlike you. So I have never forgotten what it is like to be poor. That is why I vote UKIP, they will stop 'mass immigration' from the EU and other places, and will look after British people first, whether they are white,black,brown or green. We need an immigration policy that suits British people, and not foreigners. As said no party can stem immigration as most of it comes from EU and 8 more countries wish to join. Turkey with 72 million and the Ukraine with 47 million. As said even if a fraction decide to emigrate here, it will be millions more people on this shores.

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crystal123 · 27/04/2010 10:00

Hundredtimes. I actually agreed with some of the things you said on your Dutch thread! Although I do take exception to your 'right wing nutter' dig.

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ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 10:00

You can't leak a published book to the press. It's out there, it's published for all to see.

Your so full of nonsense. It's exhausting.

You really did sleep through your history lessons didn't you crystal?

Okay. Where shall we begin.

The British Empire.

Shall we start there, or earlier. How about Britain, the Trading Nation of the (16th.

Or maybe you should just go read up on your British history and stop thinking that it was a little island of white people before Tony Blair came to power.

Coolfonz · 27/04/2010 10:01

I think this thread gives a great insight into the mentality of fascists. For clarity I mean fascists in the classical sense, people who would have been supporters of Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, Pinochet, Galtieri etc.

They are paranoid and frightened, uncertain. They cannot deal with change and they want to apportion blame. They are either badly or semi-educated. They cannot accept responsibility for their own lives, so they look sideways in society to blame other people on a similar socio-economic level. It is classic fascist territory. If you take a step back, all the fascists on this thread are posting about their own lives and how depressed they are by them, things like they want to run off to another country, they want to segregate their children, look at the mad bus driver...and so on.

It is they who lack identity for themselves, personal identity/worth issues abound, so they cling to identities which are presented to them by more powerful groups/parties. For example Roman Catholicism, which had such a huge hand in the rise of European fascism, the holocaust and so on with the notion of positive Christianity which was Jew-baiting by any other name. The Pope was even in the SS, at least he could have been in the regular army .

Of course when asked they can't define those national identities because they don't actually exist. We share identities with every other nation on Earth. What is more National identity changes every day, minute, second etc.

Their grasp of history, in this case British history, is constantly referenced to some point in the past where they see some kind of perfection. They couldn't point to that either as fascists have always looked backwards. In the 1970's they said exactly the same things, in the 1930's they said exactly the same things.

The worst thing about these people can be gleaned from history. In Germany the vast majority didn't build the camps, they didn't bundle Jews, socialists, anarchists, Slavs, the disabled, gypsies, union members, teachers, academics onto trains to go to Auschwitz and Dachau. But they did allow that to happen and if push comes to shove they would allow it again. Just look at South America in the post war period where fascist juntas slaughtered hundreds of thousands, Indonesia 2-5mn dead and so on.

Nowadays it isn't cool for fascists to call themselves fascists. We live in post-fascist Europe. So since the 1970's the right have had to find new ways to spread their hate and terror, to voice their own discontent with their own lives via racist thugs, holocaust deniers and their allies in the right wing media...and here we are. Best not to forget imo.

slug · 27/04/2010 10:01

"the government had an orchestrated policy to increase immigation into this country. Jack Straw and Tony Blair wanted votes and as many foreign people and immigrants to vote labour,so they created the 'open door policy' The policy was to create a multicultural society and put two fingers up to the Tories. Jack Straw in fact when trying to push through the 'hate crimes bill' wrote to every mosque in the country and asked them to vote for him, and he would ensure this bill was passed. In part the bill was passed to frighten people into not complaining about mass immigration, in case they were visited by the thought police."

And your evidence for this is.........????

ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 10:02

Well anyone who calls someone 'the enemy within' because they don't agree with your narrow little islander views - is a nutter. Fair and square.

daftpunk · 27/04/2010 10:08

PF;

I have read your post...

My parents came to this country in the 1950's from southern Ireland & they suffered from racism, (the type you referred to) I'm not really sure what you want me to say about that..? the English have always been racist..? yes, they probably have. I was born in London so I considerer myself English. My parents came here to work and have a better life, they didn't come here to change the country, they didn't come here expecting free housing and god knows what else, they didn't come here as illegal immigrants allowed to roam free committing any crime they like....they could speak English and integrated into society. My mother didn't walk around covered head to toe in black clothes expecting people to talk to her eyes.

...and anyway, it was a completely different world in the 50's....

Labour have changed this country almost beyond recognition...certainly in some parts of London. "We will rub the Tories noses in diversity"...that's rumored to have been said by leading Labour politicians...

Bastards.

crystal123 · 27/04/2010 10:08

Heathen LOL! I don't hate ethnic groups. my family isn't even white! I hate hypocrisy from Liberals who bleat on about centre right groups hating other people, and then live in areas (as Jack Straw does) were their is not one foreign person! Mass immigration does not effect those who created and maintained open borders. That is why 'they' don't give a shite.

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crystal123 · 27/04/2010 10:11

Hundredtimes I did not say the leak came from the book, oborne wrote about it first, and then government papers were seen that leaked it. Get some glasses!

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ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 10:12

That's interesting.

In what ways do you think society is different to the one of the 1950s DP?

That people are more educated and more tolerant?

Or that they are more racist and frightened?

In what ways different to the 1950s?

slug · 27/04/2010 10:12

affect not effect.

ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 10:13

what does 'government papers were seen that leaked it' mean?

ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 10:15

It was because you said it was only recently leaked to the press. That's what I didn't understand.

Anyway, it's not particularly relevant.

ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 10:17

Also, I'm struggling to think of you as centre right tbh crystal.

Is that really where you put yourself on the political map?

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