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UKIP. I'm voting for them. This is why;

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crystal123 · 20/04/2010 11:57

UKIP want us out of the EU, I love Europe can't stand the EU.We pay 40 million a day to them
1)72% of our laws are now made in Brussells, from fuel taxes, farming,fishing and immigration.
2)We pay £40 million a day to be in the EU.
3)The Two richest countries in Europe-Norway and Switzerland are not even in the EU.
4)Under labour we now have 3.5 million extra people living in this country. We need proper border controls. Nick Cleggs policy is to count people in and out of the country, and force them to work in 'regions' totally unworkable. UKIP would keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers.
5)UKIP does not appear to be anti-christian as do the other parties. The labour parties spin doctor Alistair Campbell said they "don't do God!" I do.
6)UKIP believes in holding referendums for the electorate on key local and international issues. I like this.
7)Crime is now out of contol, UKIP would build more prisons. Last but not least, Lord Pearson (leader) is 'posh' and does not try to hide it.

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PinkoLiberal · 27/04/2010 10:52

Of course it is DP

Oojma I don't have a spellcheck or firefox or anything fancy sorry. I do however have an appt for better glasses so I can actually see what I type booked in 2 weeks if that's a help? Ones I have cause migraines so only wear them when essential (an carers dont get free eye tests so been saviong up)

best I can do am afraid

ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 10:52

So DP.

Not only do you now see that Labour's 1997 election victory was a result of 'selling their soul' by which I take you to mean they took up the centre ground (yes?) - but also that BNP not a new phenomenon at all.

Which rather puts paid to your argument that Labour flooded the country with immigrants to secure their vote, and as a result the BNP arrived.

Erm . . .

PrincessFiorimonde · 27/04/2010 10:52

Crystal, but if you invite people from the Commonwealth to work here (= come and live here), aren't you building a multicultural society?

daftpunk · 27/04/2010 10:53

Why do you keep name-changing..?

is someone after you...?

crystal123 · 27/04/2010 10:53

*hundredtimes UKIP members. I'm not a member, but yes I do! I can't stand racism
In fact I was was always 'sticking up' for people who were bullied at school, I was neither bullied or was a bully (I wouldn't stand for it!) I want to show that UKIP is centre right it has nothing to do with the BNP, who I'm told are socialists.

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ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 10:55

at socialists.

it is odd how they've got all lumped together on this thread though. Not entirely fair at all.

I blame DP

ooojimaflip · 27/04/2010 10:57

Fair enough Pinko - using a different internet browser might help in the meantime, but that is assuming your on a computer you can install things on!

PinkoLiberal · 27/04/2010 10:57

DP I did ahve an issue withs omeone bac k along although I know who it was I think, she'd appear, vanish then someonewith no posting history would appear and really have a nasty go at me

But not this time no, I just wanted to back out of a thread I had got entangled in and name changing helps LOL)

besides ahve ahd this in storgae for eyars and Its rather apt dontcha think? Can't take peachy again as someone nabbed something with epachy in immediately after I swapped and clarissimo didn't fit mentally

PinkoLiberal · 27/04/2010 10:59

OOj tbh I daren't change anything LOL: Dh ahs his business all set bup on here and I know if I did I would lose something

I do know it irriates people and I am sorry for that

daftpunk · 27/04/2010 11:01

Ok, sorry....didn't mean to "out you"...it's just you're so bloody obvious...lol

It would be like me name-changing and posting how homosexuals and immigrants really annoy me....

PinkoLiberal · 27/04/2010 11:03

Given that most of my posts ehre today start (am peachy btw) it's seriously not an issue LOL, don't worry about it

ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 11:04

We'd know it was you DP. You're so predictable and you've got your tell-tale .... thing going on too.

Must admit crystal - if I'd been you on this thread I'd have gone to great lengths to distance myself from those that are more right wing, I wouldn't want people thinking UKIP was homophobic or racist. Which is rather what it looks like if you read the thread.

Fliight · 27/04/2010 11:23

I don't think DP is allowed to namechange anyway. I might be wrong.

claig · 27/04/2010 11:27

this is the Mail article that daftpunk and crystal123 are referring to
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1249797/Labour-threw-open-doors-mass-migration-secret-plot-make-mul ticultural-UK.html

Andrew Neather, a former government adviser and speech writer for Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett wrote the following article for the London Evening Standard

www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23760073-dont-listen-to-the-whingers---london-needs-immigran ts.do

where he said
"But the earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.

I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date. That seemed to me to be a manoeuvre too far.

Ministers were very nervous about the whole thing. For despite Roche's keenness to make her big speech and to be upfront, there was a reluctance elsewhere in government to discuss what increased immigration would mean, above all for Labour's core white working-class vote.

This shone through even in the published report: the "social outcomes" it talks about are solely those for immigrants.

And this first-term immigration policy got no mention among the platitudes on the subject in Labour's 1997 manifesto, headed Faster, Firmer, Fairer.

The results were dramatic. In 1995, 55,000 foreigners were granted the right to settle in the UK. By 2005 that had risen to 179,000; last year, with immigration falling thanks to the recession, it was 148,000.

In addition, hundreds of thousands of migrants have come from the new EU member states since 2004, most requiring neither visas nor permission to work or settle. The UK welcomed an estimated net 1.5 million immigrants in the decade to 2008.

Part by accident, part by design, the Government had created its longed-for immigration boom.

But ministers wouldn't talk about it. In part they probably realised the conservatism of their core voters: while ministers might have been passionately in favour of a more diverse society, it wasn't necessarily a debate they wanted to have in working men's clubs in Sheffield or Sunderland."

Neather has said that the comments were twisted out of proportion
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/26/labour-immigration-plot-andrew-neather

and the left-wing Mail Watch has supported Neather's claims
www.mailwatch.co.uk/2010/02/25/did-the-government-really-secretly-plot-to-change-the-face-of-britain /

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ahundredtimes · 27/04/2010 11:34

I will read it all thoroughly, shortly claig.

But on first impressions -

these immigrants don't have the vote do they?

And the others seemed to suggest that the reason for this flooding was to secure a labour vote? Which sounded mad.

Not to fill jobs or create a more diverse, stable country?

noddyholder · 27/04/2010 11:35

DP and crystal you really need to go back to school.The misinformation and frankly ignorance here is .It is ok to have a different strong viewpoint but when it is not based on actual facts you look daft!

PrincessFiorimonde · 27/04/2010 12:02

Claig, very fair of you to link to the Guardian article refuting the original.

But I note that even in the original 'Evening Standard' piece, Neather says, near the end: 'if the immigrants dry up, this city [London] and this country will become a much poorer and less interesting place'.

I'm still musing on Daftpunk's suggestion that immigrants 'come here expecting free housing and god knows what else, ... come here as illegal immigrants allowed to roam free committing any crime they like'. And I'm still wondering if she really thinks this is true of the majority of immigrants? Or even true of a big minority of immigrants?

Daftpunk, of the three people on this thread whom I can recall admitting to an immigrant background (you, me and Crystal), I think all would claim our families have been net contributors, rather than stealers of social housing and breakers of laws. In other words, some (most? we have 3 out of 3 here! ) immigrants make positive contributions to the UK economy and society.

slug · 27/04/2010 12:09

And Me!!1 I'm an immigrant.

gingercat12 · 27/04/2010 12:21

I am an immigrant, too. I had these very conversations in a different country as well. It is the same everywhere with UKIP and / or BNP type outfits.

Coolfonz · 27/04/2010 13:04

The expansion of the European Union is what has led to an increase in net migration to the UK over the last decade, and it has been pronounced. No doubt about that.

But folks have short memories.

When the state-capitalist Soviet Union collapsed there was a huge rush by politicians, Labour, Tory, Liberal in the UK, repeated across Europe, to get those countries into the EU. Poland, Latvia, Lithuania etc.

This was to pull those countries away from Moscow and closer to London/Paris/Brussels.

It led to large scale people movements, not just to the UK either, but to Germany/France/Holland/Belgium etc. It led to secondary movements like the 2mn Ukrainians in Poland.

The same thing happened when Ireland, Portugal and Spain joined the EU but on a much smaller scale.

Deal with it.

PinkoLiberal · 27/04/2010 13:17

OMSL at slugs woo woo hands

crystal123 · 27/04/2010 14:18

Hundredtimes I've never mentioned sexuality, couldn't care less what people get up to behind closed doors) (to be quite frank I don't want to know!) Who cares what people think of you? Do they pay your rent/mortgage?

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crystal123 · 27/04/2010 14:23

CLAIG Thanks for the link, must learn how to do it myself. Peter Oborne writes about it in his book(The Rise of Political Lying) to those who have not been listening.

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crystal123 · 27/04/2010 14:27

noddyholder No the orchestration by the labour party for mass immigration is right.PLease see CLAIGS post.

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