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UKIP. I'm voting for them. This is why;

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crystal123 · 20/04/2010 11:57

UKIP want us out of the EU, I love Europe can't stand the EU.We pay 40 million a day to them
1)72% of our laws are now made in Brussells, from fuel taxes, farming,fishing and immigration.
2)We pay £40 million a day to be in the EU.
3)The Two richest countries in Europe-Norway and Switzerland are not even in the EU.
4)Under labour we now have 3.5 million extra people living in this country. We need proper border controls. Nick Cleggs policy is to count people in and out of the country, and force them to work in 'regions' totally unworkable. UKIP would keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers.
5)UKIP does not appear to be anti-christian as do the other parties. The labour parties spin doctor Alistair Campbell said they "don't do God!" I do.
6)UKIP believes in holding referendums for the electorate on key local and international issues. I like this.
7)Crime is now out of contol, UKIP would build more prisons. Last but not least, Lord Pearson (leader) is 'posh' and does not try to hide it.

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Nellykats · 26/04/2010 22:23

a little but hehe

meant to be a little bit, but that's what you get when your let those europeans in eh?

crystal123 · 26/04/2010 22:23

Heathen I must answer you, as you are so insistent. The great thing about British culture is the art of Banter!

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TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 26/04/2010 22:26

Right.

So we'll just go ahead and assume you have no idea what constitutes British culture, and that you are frothing at the mouth about it being under threat, with no idea what is being threatened or who/what is threatening it?

Because, while I don't of course want to patronise you, I think many of us have suspected that all along.

Coolfonz · 26/04/2010 22:33

We aren't arguing, we're waiting for your answer.

crystal123 · 26/04/2010 22:34

Heathen. LOL! I love these threads. Do they not give you a warm glow? that and a curry! Night. Night.

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daftpunk · 26/04/2010 22:36

I can tell you what British culture isn't..

It's not a mosque on every street corner, it's not muslim women walking around with just their eyes showing...it's not having children in our schools who can barely speak a word of English, it's not having a Muslim bus conductor stop his bus so he can sit in the aisle, facing mecca, chanting prayers....

WTF..?

Lulumaam · 26/04/2010 22:37

this is hilarious !!

crystal must be a politician, she cannot answer a question !!

i did not sleep thrugh school or history lessons ( 9 gcses, 3 grade A A-levels and a degree ) so i don't want a or need lessons from you crystal , merely a simple answer to a question you posed

so instead of slinging insults around, answer the question

Lulumaam · 26/04/2010 22:38

a mosque on every street corner? not a single one in the town i live in. no women in a burqua/hijab or niquab where i live either. no children in DSs school with english as a second language...

a muslim bus conductor stopping his bus to pray..link that please !!

daftpunk · 26/04/2010 22:41

muslim bus driver

Coolfonz · 26/04/2010 22:44

You hate pakis, we get that.

Lulumaam · 26/04/2010 22:44

extraordinary ! i imagine it is not common or indeed indicative of usual practice
certainly a bit of an irritation, but not something that would make me anti muslim or anti immigration.. although ican see it would be a pain to be stopped ,but it seems like a one off

where else has bus conductors, apart from London? it's hardly going to be an epidemic

BecauseImWorthIt · 26/04/2010 22:47

There are 16000 churches in the UK and over 1500 mosques.

I don't think 1500 mosques spread around the UK means one on every corner.

Lulumaam · 26/04/2010 22:49

much as I am desperately waiting for Crystal's answer , I must get some sleep

i shall await with interest the response

night fellow enemies within...

Coolfonz · 26/04/2010 22:49

Imagine if the clergy in those Mosques were raping kids and then covering it up by making the victims sign silence agreements.

claig · 26/04/2010 22:50

Coolfonz, you are a left-winger and you share the views of left-wingers. I am more to the right and therefore see the world in a different way. You say

"Humans eat food, dance, pray, dress, entertain themselves etc. The idea people have separate cultures is by its very nature, separatist."

We all breathe, but that doesn't mean we are all the same. We have different cultures. It is not separatist, it is reality. Communists would like us to be one world under one system, "workers of the world unite", that is why they wanted to stamp out national identities and religions as they created their communist empire. The communists want the same as the capitalist globalists want, one global world where we are all one world citizens, and where we can all be easily controlled by either the communists or the capitalists. Neither of them want us to have individual freedoms or individual national identities, they want us to become uniform, to all be one, to destroy our diversity, so that we are no longer 'separatists'. That way we are easier to control.

You also say
"A rich Oxford educated member of Pakistan's elite has more in common with a rich Oxbridge educated member of the British upper classes, than a rich Pakistani has with a slum dweller in Karachi.

A miner in China has more in common with a miner in South Africa than the Chinese miner has with Wen Jiabao."

The Oxbridge educated member of the Pakistani elite, such as Benazir Bhutto for example, will share many things in common with a member of the British elite, precisely because she will have been educated in our culture. This is the reason why Russian billionaires send their children to Eton etc. to pick up some of our culture, rather than sending their children to the top schools in Moscow where they will be in the Russian culture. But I think this is not a good example.

A member of the Pakistani elite at a top university in Karachi has more in common with a poor person in Karachi than they would have with a member of the British elite. It has nothing to do with class or money, it has to do with culture. The elite Pakistani will speak the same language as the poor Pakistani, will share the same faith, the same customs, the same history, the same television programmes, the same Pakistani literature, the same Pakistani music, similar Pakistani food etc. They will probably like the Pakistani national sport, adopted from the British culture, of cricket as much as the poor Pakistani. The British elite may like different sports such as Rugby, will enjoy different pastimes, eat different food, read Shakespeare and other English literature, have a different faith, speak a different language etc. It is these cultural differences that make even a rich person a stranger in a foreign land, because money or class is irrelevant, it is culture that can make a person like a fish out of water in a foreign land.

Similarly the Chinese miner will have far more in common with Wen Jiabao than with a South African miner. The Chinese worker is not defined by their work (which communists see as the all important factor) but by their culture, history and customs which are far removed from the South African ones.

daftpunk · 26/04/2010 22:52

You hate catholics...we get it.

PrincessFiorimonde · 26/04/2010 23:12

Daftpunk, I am not your enemy; on other threadsI have defended your right to stand up for what you think.

But please could you consider this (posted earlier):

"By PrincessFiorimonde Mon 26-Apr-10 20:30:08
Daftpunk, you are not the only poster on this thread who has puzzled me with your views.

But you did post this on Friday:
"You only have Labour to blame for the rise in the BNP's popularity...if they hadn't flooded the country with Muslims and Somalians, Nick Griffin would be still be a nobody."

Do you really think that Labour (or anyone else) has "flooded" this country with migrants?

Did you really mean to pick out "Muslims and Somailians" in such a negative-sounding way?

I believe that you are from an Irish background (forgive me if I am wrong). So you must know that migrants from Ireland have been crossing to England, Scotland and Wales for a very long time.

And in the 1960s and 1970s, in particular, migrants from Ireland who came to English cities (especially London) were confronted, in lodging houses and workplaces, with the acronym 'NINA' ('No Irish Need Apply'). Do you personally know anyone who was affected by such notices?

I do.

Half my family are migrant Irish who arrived in England a few decades ago. And they were Catholic too. (But that's another argument.)

Point is - aren't these 'Muslims and Somalians' (and all other migrants) just the same as our Irish-migrant forebears who arrived here a few generations ago?

Do you have any thoughts on this?"

Coolfonz · 26/04/2010 23:21

Nothing against Catholics. Just your racist hypocrisy.

You talk of Muslims. I talk of the Catholic clergy, not Catholic lay people.

You send your kids to a school run by a religion of whose hierarchy, senior clergy, have raped not a few, but thousands of children around the world.

And covered it up.

I just wondered how you would feel if Islamic clerics had raped thousands of kids. Presumably you would be consistent and not care, yet you would be outraged by a nutty bus driver...

noddyholder · 26/04/2010 23:33

Stop using catholicism to justify yor disgraceful posts here.I know lots of catholics and have never heard them speak such drivel.

Coolfonz · 26/04/2010 23:42

Claig, yeah I think that's utter rubbish. You think food, language and sporting preferences over ride class and power. Well, it's an opinion.

Presumably you share more with the Queen and also Pete Docherty and Jordan and Frank Lampard than you do with a similar person to yourself in Holland/the US/France/Spain etc...after all they are all British.

Coolfonz · 26/04/2010 23:51

A science teacher beat a pupil around the head with a dumbbell while shouting "die, die, die", a court heard.

Asif Iqbal, 50, hit the 14-year-old boy with a 3kg weight at King Fahd Islamic School, Acton, a jury heard.

He denies attempted murder and causing grievous bodily harm (GBH) with intent, but has admitted a charge of GBH.

Iselworth Crown Court was told students were filmed calling Mr Iqbal a "psycho" moments before the attack.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8643553.stm

claig · 27/04/2010 00:04

yes I share more in common with the Queen, Doherty and Lampard than with a Dutch person. For a start I can communicate with them without the need for an interpreter.

StGeorge · 27/04/2010 00:13

Crystal123 - can't believe how many people you're up against on this thread. For what it's worth I'm with you and though I've previously voted Tory, I shall now be voting UKIP. Personally I couldn't be arsed to argue the toss with the rest of them, and I won't, because i live in the real world- enough said.

'Never be afraid to stand with the minority when the minority is right, for the minority which is right will one day be the majority'

BecauseImWorthIt · 27/04/2010 08:45

Are you a new StGeorge, or the old one come back to post this?

gingercat12 · 27/04/2010 08:46

Claig You might find that you do not need an interpreter to communicate with a Dutch person.

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