UKIP. I'm voting for them. This is why;

[crystal123]

UKIP want us out of the EU, I love Europe can't stand the EU.We pay 40 million a day to them
1)72% of our laws are now made in Brussells, from fuel taxes, farming,fishing and immigration.
2)We pay £40 million a day to be in the EU.
3)The Two richest countries in Europe-Norway and Switzerland are not even in the EU.
4)Under labour we now have 3.5 million extra people living in this country. We need proper border controls. Nick Cleggs policy is to count people in and out of the country, and force them to work in 'regions' totally unworkable. UKIP would keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers.
5)UKIP does not appear to be anti-christian as do the other parties. The labour parties spin doctor Alistair Campbell said they "don't do God!" I do.
6)UKIP believes in holding referendums for the electorate on key local and international issues. I like this.
7)Crime is now out of contol, UKIP would build more prisons. Last but not least, Lord Pearson (leader) is 'posh' and does not try to hide it.

NOD. Have the guts, to ask her to take it down then!

crystal - i knew this was coming!! do your research! hard labour does not reduce reoffending rates. look at the yank system, some states use hard labour andsome states don't. there are no discernable differences in the reoffending rates between the two. hard labour is a tokenistic waste of money to appease voters.

linc - firstly oh look it didn't happen afterall!!

secondly the link you provided was a jewish/israili propaganda website...erm possible bias do you think?

moving on to the cricketer - again how does him choosing not to advertise alcohol oppress any actual english people? i don't approve of alcohol advertising but i'm british so thats not a propblem right?

as for the red cross! ffs they are a charity in the literal sense. their mission is to reach out to all and provide healthcare - do you not think their decision was made with thought toward to not alienating people who might have needed them?? you know the salvation army (a christian charity) don't turn away non christians. is that also oppressive to the english?

lastly ffs!! its 'muslim' not 'moslem'

Lincstash, your post of 21.53 yesterday was a little selective. Yes, those things have happened, but they are not true of every chain of pubs/Muslim footballer/Muslim taxi driver, etc., are they? Not even true of most of them. In fact, true only as a few isolated incidents. (And, btw, I love your leap from the Catholic worker banned from wearing the cross, to talk of the CofE. There is a difference, as all those who have heard of the Act of Succession will probably know.)

Fair enough to criticise the EU for waste, etc. But not fair to take a few incidents of individuals behaving in a way that you/I/we find irrational or barmy, and try to use those as some kind of 'proof' that 'immigration doesn't work'.

Crystal, your background sounds similar to mine. I don't agree with you; but I do respect your right to start this debate.

Now, this is the important bit - LeninGrad, more pies and French cheese please.

SUNGIRLTAN> Ok I concede, put them up in the Hilton, give them satellite TV, it will of course put them off criminiality and reduce crime. Look at other countries if you want see low crime. Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the WORLD, and surprise surprise, it is very harsh on ALL crimes, and those who commit them! Tough on crime! Tough on those who commit crime! The only concesssion I would make is that juveniles who commit petty crime, should not be criminalised at a young age, but for the rest I stand by the above.

Crystal, I do apologise for calling yours and Lincstash's views racist. How silly of me to think that supporting a party that even your beloved David Cameron has described as full of 'fruit cake, loonies and closet racists' might in any way lead you to be tainted by their prejudices.

crystal - you weren't pointint out how they were being marginalised, you were just saying that they are being marginalised. Maybe you could show me how christians in this country are being marginalised and we can go from there?

I am falling off my chair at the idea that Christians are being marginalised and persecuted in this country. That would be why my daughter can't go to her local state school because she isn't a baptised Christian and doesn't attend a Christian church every week, yes?

Crystal, you're not the black man in Plymouth by any chance??

lincstash, I think you'll find that discriminating aginst Catholics is actually an important part of this great English culture that is so under threat, so you should positively welcome your example 1).
The others are either untrue, or don't affect you in any way

crystal - firstly singapore is tiny (less than 4 million people) and has much more stringent laws than the uk. in singapore you can be arrested for chewing gum or eating a durian on the underground. i've been there i know that. but seriously i'd love the uk to move toward compromised human rights! singapore isn't a comparable society - for one it has around 2/3 employment of its resident population and since its an ageing country the other million are probably pensioners!

Keep going crystal123...I'm reading all your posts and wish UKIP all the very best in this election....(they're only a couple of vodkas away from the BNP. )

I don't know about you, but it's not the immigrants/asylum seekers/illegals that annoy me the most, it's the white middle class idiots who fall over themselves to defend them...
I always find they have no real identity of their own so have to fight someone elses cause... they're all the same (V.dull) I'm sure You know you wont get very far on MN with far-right opinions, doesn't matter how brilliant and informative your posts are, .....but keep going....you have as much right to post here as anyone else..I was going to start a BNP thread, (I've just watched a preview of Nick Griffins election broadcast)....but I don't think I'll bother...waste of time trying to get people to see sense..

I think your decision not to is an excellent one DP

SUNGIRLTAN. The marginalising and persecution of Christians works in this way Caroline Petrie a nurse was suspended for offering to pray for a patient. BA moves a member of their front line team, to the backroom because she wears a cross. Two eldery people are visited by the thought police for displaying Christian material next to leaflets advertising gay a rally. The list does go on and on...that is why a Law company has been set up to represent Christians who are fighting unfair dismissal
on ground of thier faith. Archbishop Sentamu says that 'diversity' apparently means every colour and creed , except Christianity. Baroness Warsi says"It's an agenda driven by the political-elite" "Our country's Christian culture is being downgraded". If you want further info Marginalising Christians is online and gives examples.

Must admit I consider it a sign of how civilized and mature our society is - and of how evolved it is - that this country is now largely secular.

lol...

It's a kinda been there done that thing aswell....

Y'know, I've never started a thread about the BNP...always someone else who starts them....

Cinnamontoast. No, but I do know a black man from Plymouth! I'm going to ask him if David Cameron spoke to him!

Ask him how he fitted in his SATS round his naval duties.

Crystal, I'm sorry but you really are scraping the barrel with these petty examples of Christian "persecution". It's nonsense. Christians have an undeniably privileged status in this country, the most obvious example being that we have a tiered education system in which a huge number of state-funded schools give preference to the children of practising Christians. And then there is the fact that we still have bishops in the House of Lords...

When those things change, you can come back and talk to us about Christian air stewardesses being "persecuted" by being told to keep their crucifixes under their jumpers.

SUNGIRLTAN: I have also been to Singapore
many times, love Orchard Road, don't you? so many shops, so consumer oriented! Anyway back to business. The average age of Singaporeans is 35, hardly aging. For me it does not matter how big or small a country
is for me it would matter how crime ridden it is! For me I would love to live there, and may well do, this blogging/posting is such hard work! I have a quiz for you (which I will answer) Singapore, three men get into a taxi, one man murders and robs the taxi driver, the two others do not help said taxi driver or stop man murdering him, or go to the police, but do share the money.All three are caught. What is the punishment a) 20 year sentence b)Life sentence and hard labour or c)they hang all three? Answer C! sends out a clear message. and that's why crime is so low.

Drouhin, but could you not get her into the local muslim school, they probably do not operate an exclusion policy. CofE schools and Catholic schools operate a policy of at least 20% of children from different denominations or no faith all being allowed to attend their schools. In any case if you don't go to church and are not Baptised why do you want to send your daughter to a faith
school? Perhaps because it's the best school around?

Now I've heard it all! You want to bring back hanging? Shall we lop off shoplifters' hands too? Capital punishment simply doesn't work as a deterrent - there's plenty of evidence to support that.
I find it a bit creepy, Crystal, the way you try to cosy up to other posters (eg your last post to Sungirl), given the obvious gulf between your views and theirs.

Daftpunk. I'm not far right at all. Just sensible.

Yeah, Crystal, you don't want to alienate anyone by mentioning the Far Right, do you? Would be dreadful if your views were confused with facism.

Fascism (too cross to spell properly)

CINNAMONTOAST. Ever heard of 'an iron fist in velvet glove'. Well that's partly me and
I'm also very mannered, as a Christian I turn the other cheek, not like you other rascals on this site.