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The 300 Group- women in politics- still a hidden struggle?

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EachPeachPearMum · 13/06/2009 00:20

The 300 Group- an all party campaign for women in parliament, politics and public life.
Do you think there is a place for a group like this nowadays? Should women in politics be on the agenda in electoral reform?
(Were you even aware it had folded? I wasn't... but I am hardly up-to-date on these matters)

Should we be supporting and promoting women's entry into politics? Is it necessary? Is it unfair?

Would greater numbers of female politicians lead to an increase in awareness of issues that affect women or improved legislation?

There isn't even a wiki page for the 300 group - which I find astonishing...
though I have found a few useful links on google:

Piece about the founding of the 300 group

Evidence given by Lesley Abdela to parliament on female representation- May 2009

Lesley Abdela in the Guardian last year

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scottishmummy · 13/06/2009 17:17

saw cameron on tv think he was trying to drag some codgers in 21stC

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policywonk · 13/06/2009 18:03

Eh? Your tone is routinely derisory and unpleasant.

'kind of obvious'
'cherrypicking little causes'
'deluded'
'crock of shite... keep kidding yourselves'

Jog on, love.

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scottishmummy · 13/06/2009 18:07

have a day off demonising contrary opinions is clearly having an effect,hen

i of course shall continue to post.and not a jog or elevated hr in sight

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Swedes · 13/06/2009 18:41
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policywonk · 13/06/2009 18:50

Swedes

SM, you really do seem to be struggling with basic logic here:

  1. you pepper the thread with unpleasant remarks aimed at those who disagree with you. You are met with courtesy.
  2. I mistakenly attribute a point of view to you.
  3. You run around shrieking about snidery and demonisation.

    I'm beginning to think we might need to introduce some positive discrimination measures for you
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dittany · 13/06/2009 19:08

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scottishmummy · 13/06/2009 19:09

lets all piss ourselves at derogatory stereotypes.Drunk jocks & whisky

do you also do
jewsish people
black people
or just cheap shots at scottish

pull yourselves together.obviously i dont feel there has been a compelling enough case made

i don't conceptualise women as homogeneous mass,so don't think we necessarily have a shared common ethos and/or values

and yes swedes i do find this idea risible
"There is really only one way to solve it and that's for women to only vote for female candidates until there is greater representation."

or

"Perhaps Mumsnet could field a candidate in all seats?"

what like one of the hang em flog em loons
or precious moments mums must stay at home mamas

MN does nicely illustrate the depth and range of opinions held,and how deeply we all can feel

so lets see if everyone can have a dialogue without resorting to more mudslinging

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scottishmummy · 13/06/2009 19:18

dittany of course discrimination offends me to my core

which is why i abhor thought of taking discrimination and try use it as a agent of social change.anyway you wrap it up or spin it discrimination isnt a positive for promoting equitable change

structural change and political agitation is perhaps way to facilitate change.yes it wil take time

but on otherhand we have benefitted enormously from enlightened policy and agitation
eg equal pay act
women at uni
women in professions

i know there are societal and class injustices but some inroad have been made

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dittany · 13/06/2009 19:24

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scottishmummy · 13/06/2009 19:28

i abhorr harman because she talks divisive rubbish.dont recognise her brand of feminism at all

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dittany · 13/06/2009 19:29

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scottishmummy · 13/06/2009 19:32

plans to allow firms to discriminate in favour of female and ethnic minority job candidates when appointing for a job.

that is divisive and unfair,promoting positive discrimination in workplace

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dittany · 13/06/2009 19:34

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scottishmummy · 13/06/2009 19:38

how curious any of you encounter a divergent view and immediately attack

oh you are like a man
no feminist would recognise your pov SM>all mens rights that you SM

do try compose a cogent argument-without need to be so personal

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policywonk · 13/06/2009 20:07

Interesting document here from the Equal Opportunities Commission (as was) about the selection process for parliamentary candidates in the UK. Stark differences between male and female candidates when it came to views about positive discrimonation.

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policywonk · 13/06/2009 20:09

I've been tremendously cheered by having grown-up feminists like Harman and Smith in the cabinet. I know they've done some shite stuff too, but their work on equality, DV, anti-trafficking etc has been really admirable IMO. One very clear illustration of why someone's sex does make a difference.

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scottishmummy · 13/06/2009 20:15

ok so to what to you attribute "stark difference" between men and women candidates on positive discrimination

can you clarify what you mean
are men Anti
Women Pro
is that what you mean

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LeninGrad · 13/06/2009 20:19

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scottishmummy · 13/06/2009 20:27

structural change

increase spending in failing schols
reduce class sizes in failing schoold
employers given incentive to offer state school pupils interships/taster sessions
encourage mentorship for pupils by someone in chosen field
women in professions come talk to pupils
financial incentive for poorer pupils to attend Uni/stay on at school.means tested

agitate and be active on your chosen interest
petitions etc
we vote MP they are our representatives

all this will take time.of course

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policywonk · 13/06/2009 21:32

Positive discrimination is used in the South African parliament, where women now occupy 30 per cent of the seats. Female parliamentarians there have devised a process whereby all governmental spending is analysed to to see whether its outcomes unreasonably favour men.

Positive discrimination is practised in Rwanda (see post below). Female parliamentarians there worked across party lines to repeal laws prohibiting women from inheriting land.

Positive discrimination is practised in Costa Rica. A 2002 study analysed parliamentary practices in the country and found that women parliamentarians were much more effective in terms of successfully transforming bills into acts.

Sweden has used positive discrimination in its parliament for decades. Nobody disputes that it is one of the most equal (in sex terms) societies in the world. Ditto Norway, on both counts. In the Nordic countries (which used quotas), women make up 41.4 per cent of MPs. In non-Nordic European countries that drops to 19.3 per cent. And remember, these are countries that have long recognised, supposedly, the justice of the feminist case for equal pay and equal representation.

No country has come close to achieving gender parity in parliament without using quotas.

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dittany · 13/06/2009 21:36

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policywonk · 13/06/2009 21:40

To be fair, 'googlehound' would probably be more appropriate in this instance I knew about Sweden (obviously) and Rwanda, but not about the others. 22 countries use quotas in national parliaments now.

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scottishmummy · 13/06/2009 21:45

anyway back to my unanswered query

ok so to what to you attribute "stark difference" between men and women candidates on positive discrimination

can you clarify what you mean
are men Anti
Women Pro
is that what you mean

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LeninGrad · 13/06/2009 21:47

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