When & how will Burnham’s honeymoon come to an end?

[Theblueyonder]

Burnham’s leadership has been relatively free of drama, so far, and certainly when compared to his hapless predecessor.

What do we think will represent Burnham’s first real test? The budget, or something else?

I do. I don’t consider sneering, goading and insults to be putting up an effective opposition.

Well, the Tories +3% in latest polling (versus -3% for Labour), proves Kemi is doing something right.

Funny, when you mention sneering, I immediately think of Philipson, Reeves and Rayner.

The Prime Minister was speaking about Russian meddling, and making an argument in favour of building stronger UK defenses against foreign interference. And the clearest point that Sir Ken McCallum made was that the politics of division was something we should all be on guard against. If opposition parties want to weaponise Sir Ken McCallum’s comments, then that’s their choice but unfortunately it does nothing to show the public they care more about the national interest than* *they do about party political point scoring.

Ah, defence.

The same defence (budget) that the duplicitious Healey resigned over, you mean? Before then becoming Chancellor to a PM who prioritises social security over national security.

Forgive me if I cannot take Burnham seriously when he talks about UK national security. No, he was simply trying to play the fear card.

Don't be silly. That is not what polling suggests. The main barrier for many now is giving up the pound, but it seems that might not be an issue. I don't think we will rejoin anytime soon. But the younger generations should be given the option to choose via the ballot box at some point.

yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54567-how-strong-is-uk-support-for-rejoining-the-european-union

I agree with you on this. I think there will be a vote at some point. And the younger generation are more likely to vote to rejoin.

But it obviously isn’t a sure thing. It won’t happen until after the next election and then only if Labour win

Sorry they do ask intellectually coherent question on policy? Are you saying they don’t or is it just because you disagree with what they ask? Contradictory insults? Did you say the same when Rayner called the PM at the time scum?

It is not the opposition’s job to work with the ruling government, it is their job to scrutinise performance, policies and legislation. Question their decisions and highlight any failures. Question public spending, state budgets, financial management. Also voice any concerns or grievances. Actually Kemi did offer to work cross party with Starmer on welfare reforms, which they did not take up.

Serious economists also argue that the welfare bill is too high and climbing. Remember the 2 child cap? When Starmer tried to pass/slash the welfare bill he had to do a U-turn. So why should it be pensioners, once again, targeted but not the general welfare bill?

Who exactly are the ‘team’ who are letting Kemi down? Maybe look at the front bench Burnham has chosen, Haigh, convicted fraudster, Rayner, resigned for breaching the ministerial code, Reynolds the solicitor, when not a solicitor!

So why on earth would the opposition party help promote a Government, that in two years, have managed to increase borrowings, reduce growth, increase unemployment, IFS identified £1bn a year yet to be funded in defence budget!

Really? Maybe look up what the job of the opposition party is? What did you say when Rayner called the PM, at the time, scum? Never heard Kemi resort to language like that have you? Sneering goading and insults, oh my fluffy bunny world again!

Rayner was neither PM nor leader of the opposition. An effective leader of the opposition doesn’t sneer, goad or make personal attacks. I know Badenoch’s supporters think she can do no wrong but some of us are appalled by her presentation at the dispatch box and some of her own MPs are clearly uncomfortable with it.

That's nasty.
Some of us are quite fit, thanks.

Surprised and disappointed with the PP.

Last poster I thought would resort to such a low blow.

That’s why I said most. It’s not nasty it’s factual.

some of us

Who is us?

I saw that statement as a veiled threat. Don't borrow more.

People who share my opinion. Obviously.

There are lots of young people who were too young to vote in Brexit referendum who say they would vote stay out if they got the chance to vote. We've built up lots of trading partnerships we'd have to lose if we were back in EU again. Lots of people don't want the Euro either.

You obviously havent read the book!

Do you have a source for that fact, that most leave voters are chair bound.
Most would also imply that the majority of leave voters were rather old to start off with, which is not the case.

Not at all.

According to post-referendum polling by Statista and Lord Ashcroft Polls, support for Leave came from across all age groups, even though the proportion increased significantly with age:
18–24 years: 27% voted Leave (73% Remain)
25–34 years: 38% voted Leave (62% Remain)
35–44 years: 48% voted Leave (52% Remain)
45–54 years: 56% voted Leave (44% Remain)
55–64 years: 57% voted Leave (43% Remain)
65+ years: 60% voted Leave (40% Remain

It was only 10 years ago.
If someone was aged 56 to 65 in 2016 they are hardly likely to be pushing up daisies now are they? (barring accidents)
Your post is just plain spiteful.

Oh dear @Blossomtoes…

Because he was the most unpopular prime minister I think ever? And there was zero chance of him getting a second term, but a high chance of Reform, getting a lot more power.

The older you were the more likely you were to vote leave. 🤷‍♀️

As evidenced by @mydiorsandals post.

Oh dear what?

That’s not what you said, you said “most”.
As @mydiorsandals posted above, those figures do not suggest that.