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When & how will Burnham’s honeymoon come to an end?

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Theblueyonder · 03/10/2026 09:38

Burnham’s leadership has been relatively free of drama, so far, and certainly when compared to his hapless predecessor.

What do we think will represent Burnham’s first real test? The budget, or something else?

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hedgeknight · 13/10/2026 09:42

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/10/2026 09:39

I don't blame the voters for one second. If you continuously vote for one thing and get another you need to transfer your vote to the party that will definitely achieve what you are voting for.

Interesting take.

We should really learn from history how that works out.

LetMeButterYourParsnips · 13/10/2026 09:42

hedgeknight · 13/10/2026 09:38

Don't blame the voters?

What would you call people who vote for far right parties?

Blaming the voters is the worst.

The voters are reacting to what’s happening in their life and to what the political parties are offering.

It’s called democracy.

EasternStandard · 13/10/2026 09:43

The YouGov poll is answering the thread title. Good on Kemi +3 v -3 for Burnham.

TemperanceWest · 13/10/2026 09:45

EasternStandard · 13/10/2026 09:43

The YouGov poll is answering the thread title. Good on Kemi +3 v -3 for Burnham.

I am really happy to see the Tories push down Reform. Long may it continue.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/10/2026 09:47

hedgeknight · 13/10/2026 09:42

Interesting take.

We should really learn from history how that works out.

Not everything leads to the Nazis.

The choice the French and Germans have is not an enviable one. But that is the choice they have

We on the other hand are luckier. If I wanted immigration controlled properly (not pretending to be controlledlike now) I have a choice of Reform (mainstream centre right despite how they are portrayed by the left) or the Conservatives who confirm they will leave the ECHR. These two parties are not far right and have adopted policies that will give voters what they repeatedly voted for.

To not reflect voters wishes when they vite leads to the rise in extremist parties. The French and Germans are not all suddenly far right. They just see problems that arent being dealt with by the parties they have elected to date.

Electra10E · 13/10/2026 09:53

TemperanceWest · 13/10/2026 09:45

I am really happy to see the Tories push down Reform. Long may it continue.

That’s a ‘curious’ take.

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 13/10/2026 09:53

TemperanceWest · 13/10/2026 09:45

I am really happy to see the Tories push down Reform. Long may it continue.

I agree. I think the battle that matters most in a way is the battle for the right. I thought the way Kemi Badenoch skewered Reform in her speech was exceptional, and I think the poll bounces for the Conservatives shows the public liked seeing that moral clarity from her. I hope the Conservatives continue to build on it by engaging constructively in a battle of ideas, rather than falling back into tit for tat mud slinging.

EasternStandard · 13/10/2026 09:54

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/10/2026 09:47

Not everything leads to the Nazis.

The choice the French and Germans have is not an enviable one. But that is the choice they have

We on the other hand are luckier. If I wanted immigration controlled properly (not pretending to be controlledlike now) I have a choice of Reform (mainstream centre right despite how they are portrayed by the left) or the Conservatives who confirm they will leave the ECHR. These two parties are not far right and have adopted policies that will give voters what they repeatedly voted for.

To not reflect voters wishes when they vite leads to the rise in extremist parties. The French and Germans are not all suddenly far right. They just see problems that arent being dealt with by the parties they have elected to date.

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People are pushing for border control mostly. Sweden and Australia are keeping or kept hardline policy even when running as centre left.

It’s that we’re seeing what is probably the end of having to accept high migration and all the media and institutions with high stakes in that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in a decade or so border control is a bipartisan position as it is in the three countries below. Once adopted citizens won’t vote it out and politicians know that.

TemperanceWest · 13/10/2026 09:57

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 13/10/2026 09:53

I agree. I think the battle that matters most in a way is the battle for the right. I thought the way Kemi Badenoch skewered Reform in her speech was exceptional, and I think the poll bounces for the Conservatives shows the public liked seeing that moral clarity from her. I hope the Conservatives continue to build on it by engaging constructively in a battle of ideas, rather than falling back into tit for tat mud slinging.

Absolutely.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/10/2026 10:00

EasternStandard · 13/10/2026 09:54

People are pushing for border control mostly. Sweden and Australia are keeping or kept hardline policy even when running as centre left.

It’s that we’re seeing what is probably the end of having to accept high migration and all the media and institutions with high stakes in that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in a decade or so border control is a bipartisan position as it is in the three countries below. Once adopted citizens won’t vote it out and politicians know that.

Fingers crossed! Its certainly better than the alternative.

TemperanceWest · 13/10/2026 10:05

Electra10E · 13/10/2026 09:53

That’s a ‘curious’ take.

Why is it a curious take? I want the Tory party to get its act together. Not so much it overtakes Labour obviously 😄but I'd far rather that than see Reform surge again.

Electra10E · 13/10/2026 10:11

TemperanceWest · 13/10/2026 10:05

Why is it a curious take? I want the Tory party to get its act together. Not so much it overtakes Labour obviously 😄but I'd far rather that than see Reform surge again.

Curious because the YouGov numbers show Labour -3 and Conservatives +3.

That’s the more revealing delta.

EasternStandard · 13/10/2026 10:14

Electra10E · 13/10/2026 10:11

Curious because the YouGov numbers show Labour -3 and Conservatives +3.

That’s the more revealing delta.

Pretty good. Burnham bounce fading with a lift for Kemi not back to Greens or Lib Dem. Good to see.

It also tests the earlier posts on what the people want, it may not be Burnham after all.

GiaGia16 · 13/10/2026 10:24

TemperanceWest · 13/10/2026 09:39

That isn't what the polls are currently showing. The majority of the electorate don't support far-right parties. Only 21% in this latest poll. Good to see 😊

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 24% (-3)
CON: 23% (+3)
RFM: 21% (-1)
LDM: 12% (+1)
GRN: 11% (=)

Via
@YouGov
, 11-12 Oct.
Changes w/ 4-5 Oct.

Wow look at that Conservative surge

TemperanceWest · 13/10/2026 10:26

GiaGia16 · 13/10/2026 10:24

Wow look at that Conservative surge

Yes. Good for Badenoch. As pp said, calling out Reform has done her some good. Hopefully she might realise moving away from them is the way forward.

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 13/10/2026 10:28

EasternStandard · 13/10/2026 10:14

Pretty good. Burnham bounce fading with a lift for Kemi not back to Greens or Lib Dem. Good to see.

It also tests the earlier posts on what the people want, it may not be Burnham after all.

I think that’s a bit of a reach off the back of one poll, given the polling averages overall and the fact that Andy Burnham is still the only political leader in net positive territory.

But what I think the polls are consistently showing is a fall in support for Reform, which is a relief. I would much, much rather see a strong, intellectually coherent Conservative Party as the main force on the right of our politics, and I am optimistic (especially after her conference speech) that Kemi Badenoch could be the leader to deliver that.

www.pollcheck.co.uk/gb-polls

EasternStandard · 13/10/2026 10:29

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 13/10/2026 10:28

I think that’s a bit of a reach off the back of one poll, given the polling averages overall and the fact that Andy Burnham is still the only political leader in net positive territory.

But what I think the polls are consistently showing is a fall in support for Reform, which is a relief. I would much, much rather see a strong, intellectually coherent Conservative Party as the main force on the right of our politics, and I am optimistic (especially after her conference speech) that Kemi Badenoch could be the leader to deliver that.

www.pollcheck.co.uk/gb-polls

We’ll see. A shift like that looks good.

caringcarer · 13/10/2026 10:32

mydiorsandals · 03/10/2026 17:00

@HelpMyBlackLabradorVotesReform "Hopefully knowing that Burnham will get the much needed welfare reforms through that Starmer was blocked in doing."
Are you kidding?
The back benchers are an uncontrollable bunch of Lefty Loonies who would never reduce benefits because "a Labour government doesn't do that."
Also, the areas with the most people on benefits have a Labour MP, so they won't want to upset their voting base, will they?

Exactly. I just hope this new chancellor doesn't borrow more money our children and grandkids will have to pay back.

Pearlstillsinging · 13/10/2026 10:48

Justinthekitchen · 12/10/2026 00:36

You don't understand basic economics do you?

You have obviously missed that IMF say that our economy is doing the best of the G7!
Source BBC.

1dayatatime · 13/10/2026 11:15

Pearlstillsinging · 13/10/2026 10:48

You have obviously missed that IMF say that our economy is doing the best of the G7!
Source BBC.

You obviously missed that the IMF said that the UK would have the joint second highest growth in the G7 (joint with Germany) but has downgraded its forecast for the UK for 2027. On a more positive note the UK is forecast to have the lowest budget deficit of the G7 by 2031.

Source BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmglw0r21zexo?app-referrer=deep-link

A woman in a black T-shirt and wearing glasses and protective gloves works on a machine in a factory

UK growth forecast upgraded but higher energy prices to hit economy next year

The prediction from the IMF comes as final preparations are being made for the first Budget under Prime Minister Andy Burnham.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmglw0r21zexo?app-referrer=deep-link

BIossomtoes · 13/10/2026 11:23

Pearlstillsinging · 13/10/2026 10:48

You have obviously missed that IMF say that our economy is doing the best of the G7!
Source BBC.

They also said this. So much for the much vaunted bail out.

But IMF chief economist Silvana Tenreyro told BBC News on Tuesday that the UK's process of managing its debts is now leading the major G7 economies.

"As you know, the UK has already started the consolidation process and it is the country that basically stands out, along with India", she said.

The organisation said the UK is one of the only major economies on course to stabilise levels of national debt. The UK is also projected to have the lowest annual borrowing in the G7 in 2031.

Asked if the UK was one of the countries the IMF was telling to reduce borrowing, Tenreyro said that the country had begun the process already and should "stay the course".

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/10/2026 11:26

BIossomtoes · 13/10/2026 11:23

They also said this. So much for the much vaunted bail out.

But IMF chief economist Silvana Tenreyro told BBC News on Tuesday that the UK's process of managing its debts is now leading the major G7 economies.

"As you know, the UK has already started the consolidation process and it is the country that basically stands out, along with India", she said.

The organisation said the UK is one of the only major economies on course to stabilise levels of national debt. The UK is also projected to have the lowest annual borrowing in the G7 in 2031.

Asked if the UK was one of the countries the IMF was telling to reduce borrowing, Tenreyro said that the country had begun the process already and should "stay the course".

But borrowing has increased?

BIossomtoes · 13/10/2026 11:28

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/10/2026 11:26

But borrowing has increased?

You know better than the chief economist of the IMF now? As well as the former head of MI6. I don’t know how you earn a living but you’re obviously wasted.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/10/2026 11:30

BIossomtoes · 13/10/2026 11:28

You know better than the chief economist of the IMF now? As well as the former head of MI6. I don’t know how you earn a living but you’re obviously wasted.

Thank you. Very kind of you to say so.

EasternStandard · 13/10/2026 11:30

Pineneedlesincarpet · 13/10/2026 11:26

But borrowing has increased?

Ignore the usual jibes below. Yes it has.

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