When & how will Burnham’s honeymoon come to an end?

[Theblueyonder]

Burnham’s leadership has been relatively free of drama, so far, and certainly when compared to his hapless predecessor.

What do we think will represent Burnham’s first real test? The budget, or something else?

I’m glad you raised this point.

The idea that it is Andy Burnham who is somehow divisive for daring to speak the word Brexit when we have a (supposedly) mainstream politician pulling on-stage stunts signing fantasy contracts with the National Rally genuinely boggles my mind.

Funny that. Possibly because they’re in the manifesto.

He did close it down at Makerfield. But switched shortly after.

The ‘far right’ as you term it, are merely a consequence of too much ‘liberalism’.

We are here for a reason. and this was totally avoidable, across all of Western Europe you have had establishment leftwing parties who unilaterally decided it was a good idea to welcome in literally millions of mostly low-skilled young men from extremely different cultures, and in a very short period of time.

And the western parties thought it was such a great idea that they didn't actually need a mandate to do so - welcoming in millions of undocumented low-skilled migrants was never on any election manifesto in Spain, Germany or Britain.
But the western establishment were so convinced this was the way forward they just did it anyway.

Normally to move up the economic value added chain you need to bring in migrants with higher levels of education and skills than your population, but Western Europe decided it would bring in migrants with lower levels of skills, and from cultures which sometimes view Western liberalism as sinful while believing if you assimilate into Western culture its so degenerate you're likely to go to hell.

And the liberal establishment are now scratching their heads trying to figure out why their voters are shifting right. Really???

I think there is frustration on the part of some that despite best efforts no real dirt can be dug on Burnham.

The ‘pp’s’ seem to be head in the sand. But yes. It’s interesting the three main politicians who responded on Brexit rehash - Macron, Sanchez and German politician are all in parties under immense pressure, and likely not to be around.

In many ways doing politics in a major trading bloc from the centre left or centre to cr where others step in if you blow debt too high, see Greece, although, France struggling atm, isn’t that difficult.

They all just blew it on ignoring domestic electorates over migration. If Spain switch it will be a big deal. We’ll see on France and his Germany deal with deeper divisions.

If all a PM does is follow the manifesto then why didn’t they get rid of Starmer?

The Conservatives are a left wing party?

The repetition of particular phrases in your post is rather curious.

So we essentially have continuity Starmer. What a surprise. And unless AB goes for an early general election to lose his majority, continuity Starmer with better presentation is what we have until 2029

You fail address the content of my post - that IS curious.

Canada shows that a mainstream government, even an incumbent one, can see off populist challengers by taking concrete action to improve both the economic situation and the immigration system. But that requires political leadership that is lacking with Labour (we all know why, of course).

Edit: And do please spell it out, rather than making sly comments - say what you mean.

No hes been a politician and part of the establishment for too long. He won't have dirt. Although his Manchesterism seems to be pork barrel politics so something may crop up there in due course. We shall see.

What I don’t quite understand, is that surely at some point the Conservatives are going to have to soften their own stance on Brexit, in order to win an election, because surely they will need to restore the Blue Wall, by persuading Lib Dem voters to lend them their votes?

All this crowing that Andy Burnham is a U-turner is going to seem fairly silly and intellectually incoherent at that point.

Being concerned about the rise of the far right and the support expressed on this thread for that rise is hardly "head in the sand".

It’s not that hard to see not sure why you got the ‘curious’ remark, or what it’s meant to imply. It’s been imposed and large chunks of the population are showing in votes that it’s no longer working. It’s not just here but across the EU.

There is a lot at stake of course, power has rested easily with a pro immigration politics for some time. They don’t want to lose that power but people vote. They can’t stop that part.

Plus politicians on the left will pick it up to stay in, Denmark, Australia and Sweden are
examples of the centre left realising they can be in power if they adopt border control.

My comment wasn't sly. I meant what I said. I found the repetition interesting and wondered whether it was deliberate ("the rule of three") or just hasty writing.

As for the content of your post, it is pointless arguing with someone who expresses those sort of views about Muslims.

As a conservative voter there is absolutely no way I will vote for a party that says it will consign us to years of EU obsession and a punishment beating by the EU if we ever got back in that we would never get over. I have faith in the British electorate that there are many sane voters left that would agree. Despite there being a few nutters that vote for Gaza independents or the Greens.

Again, you seek to twist the point.

No matter, as you can see from my PP, hundreds of millions of Europeans are set to go to the polls during the next 12 months.

If they vote for parties with strong anti-immigration policies, I will not assume that they are all ‘far right’ or ‘racists’.

Burnham is a rounding error.

Yes, the UK is merely lagging Europe, I think.

Do you think AfD and National Front are far right parties?

The support for re-joining drops a fair amount if there are no opt outs, especially the currency. So we’ll see.

Plus the whole thing being re-hashed and taking up political time when there’s protests in France and Spain, looking like instability there, isn’t a slam dunk either.

Well if they are and they get into power the EU can thank Angela Merkel's immigration policies.

Don't blame the voters?

What would you call people who vote for far right parties?

That isn't what the polls are currently showing. The majority of the electorate don't support far-right parties. Only 21% in this latest poll. Good to see 😊

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 24% (-3)
CON: 23% (+3)
RFM: 21% (-1)
LDM: 12% (+1)
GRN: 11% (=)

Via
@YouGov
, 11-12 Oct.
Changes w/ 4-5 Oct.

I don't blame the voters for one second. If you continuously vote for one thing and get another you need to transfer your vote to the party that will definitely achieve what you are voting for.

You do understand that people can vote strategically, right?
Hold ones nose etc.

And you do understand that parties on the fringe can shape policy in mainstream parties, right?