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Iran Is Now More Dangerous Than Ever

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MsAmerica · 18/06/2026 02:32

Iran Is Now More Dangerous Than Ever
After three months of war, Tehran feels it has little left to lose.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2026/06/11/iran-war-ceasefire-deterrence-trump-lebanon-israel/

Iran did not win the war, it won something more dangerous
The war didn’t collapse Iran. It cemented its control over Hormuz, rewired its alliances, and strengthened the very institutions the US targeted.
https://www.jpost.com/defense-and-tech/article-897084

Iran could emerge from the war stronger and more dangerous
https://www.ft.com/content/04f6c510-47a8-4e05-99d5-5372fceeb395?syn-25a6b1a6=1

Trump’s Iran deal is a national humiliation
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-trumps-iran-deal-is-a-national-humiliation/

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MsAmerica · 25/06/2026 21:30

HopefulYankee · 25/06/2026 13:07

Iran funds the Hizbollah, Hamas and Ansar Allah in Yemen. None of these groups have ever done anything to terrorise the West. 9/11 was committed by Al Qaeda, Sunni terrorists, one of whom is now an ally to the West and in charge of Syria. I think if you want to accuse Iran of funding terrorists then you should take a hard look at what our governments have been funding and supporting. It’s quite hypocritical to accuse Iran of something that we are doing ourselves.

Oh, no, a country being hypocritical? Perish the thought!

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Plasticdreams · 25/06/2026 22:59

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You speak with great conviction for someone “who hasn’t been following it closely”

Over 21,000 children murdered by the IDF. They did not elect Hamas they’re children ffs. There is no possible way you could justify this with any argument.

We have absolutely no place in supplying weapons to the IDF. It makes us just as guilty.

HopefulYankee · 26/06/2026 12:34

MsAmerica · 25/06/2026 21:30

Oh, no, a country being hypocritical? Perish the thought!

So one rule for the West and everyone else eat dirt. 🙄

MsAmerica · 27/06/2026 00:13

Plasticdreams · 25/06/2026 22:59

You speak with great conviction for someone “who hasn’t been following it closely”

Over 21,000 children murdered by the IDF. They did not elect Hamas they’re children ffs. There is no possible way you could justify this with any argument.

We have absolutely no place in supplying weapons to the IDF. It makes us just as guilty.

The Palestinian population as a whole elected Hamas. The Palestinian population as a whole has permitted them to stay in power. The Palestinian population as a whole has embraced the idea of "martyrdom" of provoking Israel until it attacks. The Palestinian population has been perfectly fine for decades of their targeting Israeli civilians - I recall once their targeting a bus of Israeli schoolchildren. Oh, and one reason civilian Palestinians get killed is because Hamas has a habit of hiding within the civilian population.

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MsAmerica · 27/06/2026 00:14

HopefulYankee · 26/06/2026 12:34

So one rule for the West and everyone else eat dirt. 🙄

Sorry - where in my post did you find any implication that hypocrisy is restricted to certain countries?

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dwordle · 27/06/2026 18:29

People who live in Israel elected Netanyahu, does that mean their lives are forfeit. Unfortunately, your argument seems to be lacking one fundamental thing.... international law. Civilians are not and never have been collateral, and to target civilians is illegal.

There is more than enough evidence to support the accusations of genocide, ethnic cleansing, use of banned weapons.

Under your argument it would be acceptable for Turkey to flatten Israel paying no regards for civilian life. This is the argument you are making....and it demonstrates how ridiculous your argument is.

dairydebris · 27/06/2026 18:34

dwordle · 27/06/2026 18:29

People who live in Israel elected Netanyahu, does that mean their lives are forfeit. Unfortunately, your argument seems to be lacking one fundamental thing.... international law. Civilians are not and never have been collateral, and to target civilians is illegal.

There is more than enough evidence to support the accusations of genocide, ethnic cleansing, use of banned weapons.

Under your argument it would be acceptable for Turkey to flatten Israel paying no regards for civilian life. This is the argument you are making....and it demonstrates how ridiculous your argument is.

Fgs there has never been a war where civilians are not collateral. To target them is illegal, but I think you need to look up the definition of 'collateral'.

dwordle · 27/06/2026 18:38

dairydebris · 27/06/2026 18:34

Fgs there has never been a war where civilians are not collateral. To target them is illegal, but I think you need to look up the definition of 'collateral'.

But the laws around civilians is clear, you can't take our an entire apartment block for a few armed people. Doesn't work like that anymore.

Hesgeth, Netanyahu are all going to prison....you watch

dwordle · 29/06/2026 08:41

dairydebris · 25/06/2026 12:59

You think Iran should have nuclear weapons? Just because America and Israel do? Do you stand by that?

I don't think anyone one should have nuclear weapons, but based on an aggressive neighbour that does it makes perfect sense why they would want one.

You honestly think Iran wants to kill us, I think you'll find like all these wars the side that is attempting a Samson and Goliath type battle will revert to gorilla tactics.

Far better to work to build trust so they don't need nuclear weapons.

dairydebris · 29/06/2026 09:14

dwordle · 29/06/2026 08:41

I don't think anyone one should have nuclear weapons, but based on an aggressive neighbour that does it makes perfect sense why they would want one.

You honestly think Iran wants to kill us, I think you'll find like all these wars the side that is attempting a Samson and Goliath type battle will revert to gorilla tactics.

Far better to work to build trust so they don't need nuclear weapons.

I agree it makes perfect sense they'd want one. Especially after this fiasco of a war.
And no I don't think Iran particularly wants to kill us here in the UK.
They do want to kill Israel though, dont they. And they aggressively pursue that goal through their proxies.
Work to build trust with a regime fundamentally opposed to our way of life and value system? With a regime that treats women and dissidents the way it does? Build trust with a regime that supports terrorism?
I don't think you understand what Iran under the mullahs is.

lljkk · 29/06/2026 09:29

I dont' worry about Iran's nuclear ambitions or even war-mongering.

I definitely feel sad about Israel constantly imperiling its own security by picking fights with neighbours.

I sometimes worry about the volatile and incredibly selfish guy with possible dementia in the White House who has access to heaps of nuclear codes. Isn't it lovely that he's obsessed with the Deflecting Pool right now? Something to be grateful for.

I sometimes worry about the nasty egomaniac in the Kremlin. That guy constantly plots to undermine all Liberal democracies and has authorised war crimes in Ukraine.

I think my worry capacity is limited. Not Iran people are taking up all my Capacity.

dwordle · 29/06/2026 16:26

dairydebris · 29/06/2026 09:14

I agree it makes perfect sense they'd want one. Especially after this fiasco of a war.
And no I don't think Iran particularly wants to kill us here in the UK.
They do want to kill Israel though, dont they. And they aggressively pursue that goal through their proxies.
Work to build trust with a regime fundamentally opposed to our way of life and value system? With a regime that treats women and dissidents the way it does? Build trust with a regime that supports terrorism?
I don't think you understand what Iran under the mullahs is.

Israel have been causing chaos for decades and they have actively stoking war for the last decade.

Note that during Obama, they attempted the same thing and they were told they would get no American support, same under bush and Biden...Trump however, fell for Netanyahu playbook...and got itself drawn into another war.

You talk as if you understand Iran, the reality is very different from what the Western media would like you to believe. You shouldn't fear the Iranians.

When Netanyahu is behind bars the world will be a better place.

dairydebris · 29/06/2026 17:15

dwordle · 29/06/2026 16:26

Israel have been causing chaos for decades and they have actively stoking war for the last decade.

Note that during Obama, they attempted the same thing and they were told they would get no American support, same under bush and Biden...Trump however, fell for Netanyahu playbook...and got itself drawn into another war.

You talk as if you understand Iran, the reality is very different from what the Western media would like you to believe. You shouldn't fear the Iranians.

When Netanyahu is behind bars the world will be a better place.

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Have you been to Iran then? Spent a lot of time with the mullahs? Totally down with the dress code for women and the violent suppression of dissent? Think we should 'work on building trust'? Tell us what's different to what the media would like us to believe, I'm all ears....

MsAmerica · 02/07/2026 22:04

dwordle · 27/06/2026 18:29

People who live in Israel elected Netanyahu, does that mean their lives are forfeit. Unfortunately, your argument seems to be lacking one fundamental thing.... international law. Civilians are not and never have been collateral, and to target civilians is illegal.

There is more than enough evidence to support the accusations of genocide, ethnic cleansing, use of banned weapons.

Under your argument it would be acceptable for Turkey to flatten Israel paying no regards for civilian life. This is the argument you are making....and it demonstrates how ridiculous your argument is.

Civilians have always been collateral, and Palestinians targeted Israeli citizens for years, while the international community mostly shrugged.

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MsAmerica · 02/07/2026 22:07

lljkk · 29/06/2026 09:29

I dont' worry about Iran's nuclear ambitions or even war-mongering.

I definitely feel sad about Israel constantly imperiling its own security by picking fights with neighbours.

I sometimes worry about the volatile and incredibly selfish guy with possible dementia in the White House who has access to heaps of nuclear codes. Isn't it lovely that he's obsessed with the Deflecting Pool right now? Something to be grateful for.

I sometimes worry about the nasty egomaniac in the Kremlin. That guy constantly plots to undermine all Liberal democracies and has authorised war crimes in Ukraine.

I think my worry capacity is limited. Not Iran people are taking up all my Capacity.

Lol. That's funny about the Deflecting Pool. Is that your own, or are you quoting someone else?

Trump and Putin are definitely bigger threats than Iran right now.

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MushMonster · 02/07/2026 22:33

That US attacking Iran would lead exactly to the spot where we are was fully predictable and had been predicted by US intelligence, report after report after report.
I think the Supreme leader and the IRG are now even more encroached and powerful, and Parliament is even more under their thumb. As expected.
All has gone exactly as expected.

Bar, maybe, an attack on a school.

Trump knew this.
He is making money out of it, his friends are making money. His new weapons business is booming. All is going great for the Trump empire. All the costs, the lost equipment, the inflation, the lack of fertiliser.... gets paid by the American taxpayer, including the soldiers funerals, so he is not bothered a bit. It is all free of charge to him.
I bet you he is putting together a nuclear weapons company and will go around selling them to all. Because it is true this war is shinning the light on the fact that you do need nuclear weapons to be safe in this world.

lljkk · 03/07/2026 07:17

I wish I was so clever... "Deflecting pool" is not my original thought,
Nor is Grift Currency, Make Algae Great Again and quite few other clever quips.

Puppet Regime is good if you have dark humour, they run short clips on Facebook. The "This Dictator's Life" Podcast skits with Xi & Putin are especially good laugh.

JoyousOpalLemur · 03/07/2026 07:19

MsAmerica · 24/06/2026 23:13

For me, I wouldn't say that a country that reportedly funds terrorists "isn't dangerous at all."

What you do about Iran then?

MsAmerica · 04/07/2026 23:27

lljkk · 03/07/2026 07:17

I wish I was so clever... "Deflecting pool" is not my original thought,
Nor is Grift Currency, Make Algae Great Again and quite few other clever quips.

Puppet Regime is good if you have dark humour, they run short clips on Facebook. The "This Dictator's Life" Podcast skits with Xi & Putin are especially good laugh.

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Sorry, is "Grift Currency" some kind of pun that I'm not getting?

Is "Puppet Regime" a term or a program a website or what?

I don't watch anything online on-goingly ... just the late-night television comics that skewer him, one of whom was, sadly, forced off the air.

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MsAmerica · 04/07/2026 23:28

JoyousOpalLemur · 03/07/2026 07:19

What you do about Iran then?

I don't know, but I'd try to avoid lies and melodrama.

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lljkk · 06/07/2026 06:52

MsAmerica · 04/07/2026 23:27

Sorry, is "Grift Currency" some kind of pun that I'm not getting?

Is "Puppet Regime" a term or a program a website or what?

I don't watch anything online on-goingly ... just the late-night television comics that skewer him, one of whom was, sadly, forced off the air.

Grift Currency is a nickname for the crypto currency that Trump's family launched recently. The Trump family capitalise extremely effectively on DJT's position as President to sell stuff. Melania was paid a lot by Amazon for her movie, the older sons have just sealed a deal with Kazakhstan for some mining rights where Trump family & US Gov are both investors. DJT's administration is in charge of creating regulatory frameworks for cyptocurrency which is very handy when you want loose regulation on a crypto currency your family want to profit on.

Puppet Regime is like Spitting Image but global politics. They run short skit videos on lots of social media platforms featuring national leaders. Worth a google.

MushMonster · 06/07/2026 17:57

Have you seen the images of the deceased Supreme Leader funeral in Iran today? Proper packed.
I think they are not any weaker; it was a big turn up.
The Guardian had some images earlier in the day, on their life feed.

aberamagold · 06/07/2026 18:33

Plasticdreams · 25/06/2026 12:50

We are supplying Israel with weapons to commit a genocide. Israel has been proven to be deliberately targeting children and has killed over 21,000 children since October 7th 2023. Is that not terrorism?

No it’s a tragic consequence of an urban war. A war started by Hamas, who actually did deliberately kill children. And chose to use their own people as human shields, and store their weapons under hospitals and civilian infrastructure.
Israel has a right to defend itself against the utter evil of the terrorists of Hamas.

dairydebris · 07/07/2026 10:30

MushMonster · 07/07/2026 07:24

What do we think of this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/06/hamas-offers-hand-over-authority-gaza-us-backed-administration

I was rather surprised to read this this morning. I am in quiet a bit of disbelief.

I saw this too.

Its extremely hard to feel that anything US backed really has Palestinian best interests at heart.

Watching with interest as always.