Why would Reform voters accept that they will scrap the NHS?

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Even when you present them with pretty undeniable proof they wants to do it they just say "lefty propaganda, he said he won't" - well of course he says he won't it would cost him the election.

I'd love to see the detailed plan of how we go from where we are now - open access free at the point of delivery to scraping it

like all Reform policy it's loud on slogan and short on detail of actually how it would be done

I have a relative living in the Netherlands who is British not Dutch. Unfortunately, yes you pay around €166/mo per person for the minimum state insurance but you can’t access health care because they are having their own far right anti-immigrant issues rn.

My relative went to a GP to get their repeat prescriptions transferred over as an asthmatic and asked to have inhalers prescribed. She was laughed at, prescribed nothing and charged €300. The first €500 is out of pocket so you’re not going to be reimbursed by the insurance you are paying for. The insurance being the same for everyone means it’s really hard for workers on less than full time minimum wage to make ends meet.

OP - you are scaremongering. The EU model needs to be implemented. Our current NHS is incompetent and run badly.

They want to replace it with an insurance-based system, the same as several of our neighbouring countries have.

We pay insurance in the Netherlands where we have a home and pay some taxes and have found it to be a far, far better system than the NHS.

The nhs costs way less on bureaucracy than even most European models, £ spending per capita goes further.

And the outcomes for cancer still lag far behind in the UK. I've worked in the NHS for around 30 years and now live in Europe. The difference in care is absolutely astonishing.

When I needed an ambulance after an accident, it arrived in 10 minutes. I'm on a forum for the injury I sustained, and patients with that injury in the UK have been waiting 5 - 8 HOURS for an ambulance.

That shit scares me, I’m surprised so many support a move to this kind of thing.

🫤 all the countries with other health systems still have issues with illegal immigrants. Even the USA with the most expensive, privatised and inaccessible healthcare system has 11.4 million of illegal immigrants.

His words were “open to anything” - I won’t let this drop till he announces a real policy on the matter. I’m convinced it’s USA style he wants.

Nothing I’ve seen over decades makes me think the public has the appetite to pay the tax needed to fund the NHS at the rate it needs to meet the demographic challenge.

So to me we really do need to look at other funding options.

I also don’t have any principled objection to the state focusing its funding on those who need it, and facilitating those who want to go private to do so.

The PP said that equality was “the point”. I just don’t agree. I think the point of a healthcare system is health.

Until you retire or leave work…what then?

GPs are already privatised. Many don’t know this.

They are not mutually exclusive. Mismanagement can be turned around.

They’re funded with public money.

Whether or not you think the NHS is beyond repair and needs replacing, you’d have to be thick as pig shit to believe reform can be trusted with implementing a better alternative.

Yes, but insurance doesn’t equate to being able to access healthcare. There are healthcare deserts and other issues in some EU countries.

I had painful varicose veins. I had to pay to get them lasered, as no chance on the NHS.
It’s impossible to get an NHS dentist around here. My Dad paid for a hip replacement as the GP refused to even refer him, because he apparently was able to walk into the surgery from his car and at the age of 85 needed to get on with his life.
He recently fell and split his head open badly, but wouldn’t go to A&E as he said it was a waste of time, so I applied steristrips and kept an eye on him.
And you say Reform will ruin the NHS?
Sick rates in the NHS has never been so bad. Resident doctors about to strike again.

This is the bit Reformers don’t get, they think they’re clever with their “pRiViTiSaTiOn StArTeD uNdEr LiEBoUr” but they don’t get the difference is you aren’t personally paying for it. Reform will have you personally paying.

I’m not advocating for a US style insurance, I’m just saying there are affordable options for people with existing conditions.

My work policy is relatively affordable for leavers to continue with after they’re no longer employed though, to answer your question, so I’d personally pay the few hundred pound a month for that. I acknowledge the privilege in that comment though.

Public services were starved for a very long time. Of course they are dysfunctional. It takes time to create a turnaround.

I don’t think the NHS’s main challenge is mismanagement. It’s aging and public finances.

Let’s say you can make the NHS 4% more efficient next year by better management. You then need to do that every year for decades just to stand still.

I think AI will do some of that but can’t do it all.

Sympathies for your experiences.
To answer your question, yes, putting corrupt, incompetent, grifters in change of the NHS, or anything else, would definitely ruin it.

The NHS is funded out of general taxation, and takes around 20% of all government spending.

Someone earning £1m a year pays £460,000 in PAYE alone and so is paying circa £90,000 per year for the NHS.

The NHS budget grew in real
terms through every year of austerity.

They should scrap it. Replace with French system or similar. Time to lance the sacred cow.

Has your keyboard suddenly malfunctioned?