Why would Reform voters accept that they will scrap the NHS?

[NEGUY82]

Even when you present them with pretty undeniable proof they wants to do it they just say "lefty propaganda, he said he won't" - well of course he says he won't it would cost him the election.

Everyone is covered by the Swedish health insurance - you pay for it through the tax system

However - what may be less palatable in the UK is the co-pay system. It's not free at the point of use. So when you go to the doctors or A&E etc you pay a fee at reception although it is capped at £115 per year and after this it's free. So current charges are:
GP - £24
Hospital specialist - £36
A&E £40
Nurse, physio, OT, etc £20
Hospital inpatient £10 (per day)

Ambulance £24
Missed or late cancelled appointment (less than 24 hours) £36
Missed or late cancelled operation (less than 72 hours) £143
Medical equipment - crutches, toilet seat, walker, joint brace/sling £20 per item
Routine tests/xrays - £12

Same for medications - up to max £300 per year (this has shot up under the right wing government)

So an accident or illness can quickly add up - it was a shock to my UK sensibilities to come home after a life-changing accident and 11 days in hospital to a bill of almost £250

Because the NHS isn’t THAT great anymore? Because care is fucking shocking. Honestly, go and sit in my local inner city A and E when you’re in pain or scared and vulnerable. I would rather pay tbh.

I would rather pay like I do for the dentist

They favour an insurance based system to provide healthcare.
Not everyone will get medical insurance cover. They will be left to what is left of the NHS.
They have said something about a voucher system as well but not how much a voucher would be worth and whether it would cover whatever it is you are needing treatment for. Having a baby in intensive care ? A £50 voucher won’t go far.
In America medical costs are the single most reason people become bankrupt.

The NHS needs to changes. It does. But not in this way.
There will be people who cannot get insurance. Not unless they spend a small mortgage on it anyway.
The NHS was invented for a reason. Before it people died because they could not afford medical care. Going back to those days is not progress. It is backward.

I suspect Reform voters will assume they will get a low cost medical insurance that will never increase.
It will always be other people that won’t get it, or they will never be turned down for it after an illness.
The buyers remorse will be fast.
Of course there will be plenty of new businesses set up offering medical care, insurance, ditto pensions etc once they are removed too. Which is what Reform are interested in.

https://www.bma.org.uk/bma-media-centre/gp-committee-for-england-vote-overwhelmingly-to-explore-an-alternative-strategy-for-general-practice

This is simply not true.

They don't care. They are so focused on immigration that anything else is ignored.

I got refused by mine because of my pre-existing conditions. That it's a group insurance makes it just as, if not more likely. There are going to be a lot of people in the same position.

@Monty36

and the alternative? You’re more likely to die in England giving birth now than anywhere else in Europe. We really do need to stop evangelising the NHS. Unfortunately this country is full of entitled people who have abused it. It will certainly stop the GP Hobbyists im sure.

I wonder what the health insurers would charge people once they know the NHS even with its faults has effectively gone ?

Doesn't say anything about scrapping it in their manifesto... its found under protect the NHSon their website if you want a read 😂

It is not for me to come up with solutions on this thread! But I do believe where there is a will there is a way.
I would take the politics out of it for a start.
I have seen the NHS good and poor. It needs to change for sure. I said that. Removing it completely is not the answer.

But in European health systems that's not how it works. You're not making any sense.

Thats patently untrue.

Well yes, there will be something called the NHS so they can say it has remained. But only for people who cannot get health insurance.
It will not be anything even resembling what we have. It will be even worse.

That is nonsense. Stop making things up about health systems you know nothing about.

Of course it doesn't, where in Labours did it say there were going to cut WFA??

Farage had a falling out with his Welsh counterpart on the matter, to which his response was "it'll be a national decision ahead of an election":

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-nigel-farage-breaks-with-his-welsh-leader-over-insurance-system-nhs/

There was the time on LBC he said the exact words "I don't want it funded by taxation" - he later backtracked.

Then ofcourse there is this, it's old but he said it:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pxuQyTCHXyE

@UniquePinkSwan I'm listening... which European model did you have in mind?

I was talking American style (which is what I think he really wants) when I said tha.

He’s said a lot of things but the main model he’s pointed to in the past is the French one. That’s a social insurance model funded from payroll and general taxation, with co-pays.

Your attitude, strangely, is a very US one.

I spent time in the US during the Obamacare debate and it was the same tone: nothing can be changed, ours is the best system in the world, anyone wanting reform must have bad motive, etc.

@NEGUY82

Shilling but about the NHS isn’t going to work this time. It’s a shit tip and has been for longer than the 14yrs of conservative rule.

The more money you poor in the more money it wastes. As a pp said it’s not the American system or the NHS any anyone who thinks that or tells you that are just thick.
Seen as though that’s the word the left like to use so much about everyone else that’s guilty of wrong think.

I don’t think it’s “beyond repair” but I do think that demographic trends coupled with our attitudes to tax mean that the NHS will get more and more fundamentally broken unless we look for a different model that brings in new sources of revenue and takes off demand.

Subsidising private health insurance and introducing co-pays is a move in the right direction.

Everyone can get insurance in the European models.

The more I hear on MN of the
"outrageous" things Reform would do, the more I find their policies appealing

The NHS is broken and needs reforming from top to bottom and if that means an implementation of partial private funding then bring it on. Seems to work perfectly well across Europe