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The Masochism of Voting Reform

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BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 11:16

Reform voters are now the largest mass political movement in the UK. While their leaders are bereft of both principles and plans, dismissing all Reform voters as idiots and racists is a lazy cop out that serves nobody.

Voting Labour is an act of crass immorality and stupidity, voting Tory suggests a drag anchor of stasis and apathy, voting Lib Dem smacks of a lack of passion and imagination, but voting Reform is an act of unmitigated masochism and self harm - but it is important we understand why people do it.

On one level its the logical fallacy outlined in Yes Prime Minister, my dog has four legs and my cat has four legs - therefore my dog is a cat. I want reform and here is a new party called Reform so i’ll vote for that. Dominic Cummings used the word Brexit to work the same scam, Morgan McSweeney deployed the word ‘change’ and the Democrats tried the word ‘joy’. It didn’t work for the Democrats because not enough people in the states wanted ‘joy’ - they wanted revenge, which brings us to the masochism of voting for Reform.

Imagine a child wants an ice cream, their parents say no and the child is left angry about not getting what they want and their lack of agency - perhaps in a hot moment they might even start hating their parents. After a while the parents see how upset their child is and offer an ice cream, but the child screams ‘neaaww!!’ and knocks the ice cream out of their parent’s hand and on to the floor. That’s masochism, any parent will recognise it, the child is too into hating their parent in the moment to take the thing they really want, such moments need careful handling.

Many (most?) people in the UK don’t get much careful handling, they are consistently told in both word and deed that their happiness is irrelevant, perhaps this is a hangover of empire, but more saliently it is why the UK consistently ranks as one of the most unhappy nations in Europe. A shocking but normalised backdrop of familial, educational and neoliberal socioeconomic squashes, dehumanises many Britons, seeing them as little more than throwaway units of consumption and production.

One can see from this standpoint, why many focus on the (wilfully over-hyped and politically weaponised) topic of economic migration that is portrayed as further diluting an already anaemic sense of belonging and adding to a sense that to a certain establishment, working class Britons are as disposable as a used vape. Reform voters may be muddled about the motives of Farage, but they ain’t wrong about that last bit.

The throwaway working classes of Britain, face accusatory pressure from people (usually in comfortable positions in the media, government / politics) that they must remain vigilant about (and indeed accept responsibility for) the hurt feelings of a wide range of people in OTHER groups.

It’s easy to see how exhausted white, heterosexual males scratching an increasingly precarious living in a nation that has never cared about their feelings, might resent the quivering sensitivity demanded of them for gay rights, trans rights, people on the ‘spectrum’, ethnic / religious minorities and all the rest. They might just think that being in the majority ethnic group in the UK is actually a curse rather than a benefit, after all there are no government grants for organisations combating discrimination against the white-van-man, no benefits for people in work who lie awake at night worrying about having to put their car repairs and urgent dental work on their credit card - quite the reverse, these are the people that late stage capitalism loves to exploit to the max.

Now Reform are not any kind of an answer for the precariat (they’ll make it worse), but it is nigh on impossible to explain this to Reform voters and here is why:
Reform voters (and many voters for all the other parties) are often not making an evidenced based judgement but an emotional one, they quite understandably HATE the establishment that dehumanises and discards them and more than anything they want to STICK IT to that establishment, they don’t WANT to check the credentials and plans of their chosen champions and the more that smug liberals tell them they should, the less inclined they feel to do it.

This is the masochism, what matters is not healing or hope, but the hatred (carefully cultivated for decades by the billionaire owned media) for what they see as a shadowy triumvirate of invaders - immigrants, the woke and the loony left.

The British political / media class has nobody but itself to blame for the looming triumph of the Farage / Trump playbook. For decades voters have been promised change and got nothing but more of the same and worse. The lived reality of the political clock in the UK stopped under Thatcher and has not changed since. Those parties like Labour and the Lib-Dems who delivered more status-quo neoliberalism are particularly to blame.

Reform voters will soon have the rare pleasure of sticking a plastic straw up the noses of at least some of the establishment, it doesn't matter to them who benefits or even what happens next as long as Starmer, the immigrants and the woke get shafted by it.

This mostly blind back-lash that Farage is surfing has been long in the making and I doubt much can be done to mitigate it now, but for those minded to try...

...start by trying to understand the emotional landscape of Reform voters first, hear and acknowledge their pain, respect their concerns and fears, listen to their frustration and frayed sense of betrayal and try to offer more hope than a one shot stab at revenge. This job has been made very difficult by identity politics and decades of betrayal from faux left wing hustlers like Blair, Brown and now Starmer but there is little to be lost from the effort and perhaps everything to gain.

Sometimes political change is more about a heartfelt commitment to listening and healing than it is about winning the argument. The Greens, now the champions of the left-liberal progressives, would be especially well served by remembering this.

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saveforthat · 06/05/2026 11:22

Nope. I don't think it's masochism.

BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 11:25

saveforthat · 06/05/2026 11:22

Nope. I don't think it's masochism.

Nor did those who voted for Brexit after being convinced by some of the very establishment they hated that it was a good idea.

That Britain post-Brexit is an undeniable disaster is evident to all.

The looming horror of a Reform government is the exact same situation. And many of those who intend to vote for them are falling for the exact same playbook they did with Brexit.

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moto748e · 06/05/2026 11:26

Tl;dr. But I'm sure you're putting the rest of us right, and just explaining a few things for those too dim to realise.

Chersfrozenface · 06/05/2026 11:27

Round here the Greens are hyping themselves as the only alternative to Reform.

The looming horror of a Green or heavily Green influenced government is, if anything, even worse.

NightFever89 · 06/05/2026 11:29

Thats democracy 🤷‍♀️

SionnachRuadh · 06/05/2026 11:30

i ain't reading all that
i'm happy for u tho
or sorry that happened

ErrolTheDragon · 06/05/2026 11:32

It’s not masachoism, that’s deliberately causing yourself pain. I don’t believe that’s what Reform voters or before them Brexiteers actually intend even if it’s the result.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/05/2026 11:34

NightFever89 · 06/05/2026 11:29

Thats democracy 🤷‍♀️

Yes, when demagogues hold sway over the demos. How you avoid it is an interesting question!

FernandoSor · 06/05/2026 11:36

ErrolTheDragon · 06/05/2026 11:32

It’s not masachoism, that’s deliberately causing yourself pain. I don’t believe that’s what Reform voters or before them Brexiteers actually intend even if it’s the result.

'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.

pontefractals · 06/05/2026 11:42

FernandoSor · 06/05/2026 11:36

'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.

Yes, and masochism would be if she WANTED her face eating and knew that was the expected outcome and did it anyway. What you are describing is more like sadism that backfired.

Dominoodles · 06/05/2026 11:47

Chersfrozenface · 06/05/2026 11:27

Round here the Greens are hyping themselves as the only alternative to Reform.

The looming horror of a Green or heavily Green influenced government is, if anything, even worse.

I really struggle with this. My town is likely to be reform next time unless greens can come through, so I may have to vote green just to keep reform out. They're the lesser of two evils but I disagree with a lot of their stances on sex and gender, and hate their misogyny.

On the other hand reform has outright said they're going to put immigrants in camps, so... Lesser of two evils 😭

BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 11:54

Dominoodles · 06/05/2026 11:47

I really struggle with this. My town is likely to be reform next time unless greens can come through, so I may have to vote green just to keep reform out. They're the lesser of two evils but I disagree with a lot of their stances on sex and gender, and hate their misogyny.

On the other hand reform has outright said they're going to put immigrants in camps, so... Lesser of two evils 😭

You are not alone.

Many people in many towns and constituencies are in the position; rightly horrified by some of the policies of Reform but equally unable to fully stand behind Green as the only realistic contender.

Often, it comes down to having to educate ourselves, hold our noses, and vote sensibly for whichever bunch of buffoons we genuinely think will hurt the country least.

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ErrolTheDragon · 06/05/2026 11:55

FernandoSor · 06/05/2026 11:36

'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.

Except it’s not called the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party, is it? It’s called the Big Pussy Cat Appreciation party on some leaflets and the Big Game Hunting Party on others etc.

Weeellokthen · 06/05/2026 12:00

SionnachRuadh · 06/05/2026 11:30

i ain't reading all that
i'm happy for u tho
or sorry that happened

😂twas a bit much. I wonder how long that took to think about and compose. Way too much time on their hands 😆

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 06/05/2026 12:05

Weeellokthen · 06/05/2026 12:00

😂twas a bit much. I wonder how long that took to think about and compose. Way too much time on their hands 😆

Oh that was generated in about two minutes. Probably less.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 06/05/2026 12:07

BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 11:25

Nor did those who voted for Brexit after being convinced by some of the very establishment they hated that it was a good idea.

That Britain post-Brexit is an undeniable disaster is evident to all.

The looming horror of a Reform government is the exact same situation. And many of those who intend to vote for them are falling for the exact same playbook they did with Brexit.

I'm very happy to be out of the EU, and I voted to stay.

The CAP is a disaster
Their Covid response was woeful
The immigration issue will break them
Their subjugation to trans ideology is complete

No, I am very happy to have left thanks. We'll survive just fine.

saveforthat · 06/05/2026 12:07

BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 11:25

Nor did those who voted for Brexit after being convinced by some of the very establishment they hated that it was a good idea.

That Britain post-Brexit is an undeniable disaster is evident to all.

The looming horror of a Reform government is the exact same situation. And many of those who intend to vote for them are falling for the exact same playbook they did with Brexit.

Nope. You misunderstand the term masochism.

matresense · 06/05/2026 12:15

@Dominoodles

I personally think that the Green Party is worse, when you look at the fact that over 30 councillors are under a cloud for their antisemitic bile. Look at Zac Polanski and his “some Jews perceive themselves to be unsafe” as if it’s all about perception. Reform is not keen on mass immigration and I think some of their rhetoric is very distasteful, but the Green party is egging on Jew hatred (and worse, frankly). Both have economic policies that don’t survive contact with reality, but it’s the sectarianism that would make me choose Reform over the Greens (along with the idea that we should have unlimited immigration, which is a recipe for disaster and will create the circumstances for unrest).

BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 12:25

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 06/05/2026 12:07

I'm very happy to be out of the EU, and I voted to stay.

The CAP is a disaster
Their Covid response was woeful
The immigration issue will break them
Their subjugation to trans ideology is complete

No, I am very happy to have left thanks. We'll survive just fine.

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"The CAP is a disaster"
Britain is worse.

" Their Covid response was woeful"
Britain, under Johnson, was far, far worse. We had more deaths than any other European country. A huge part of that was the "woeful" response / handling by the Tory government.

" The immigration issue will break them"
The merest look at official (official, not your AI-generated Reform Facebook posts) statistics show immigration issues increasing enormously post-Brexit (and, given the UK lost access to the EU legislation that permitted the return of immigrants to their country of initial registration, you might say it is partly a result of Brexit).

" Their subjugation to trans ideology is complete"
Your use of the term "trans ideology", and the general syntax of your statement, means we can pretty comfortably disregard it altogether.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 06/05/2026 12:27

BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 12:25

"The CAP is a disaster"
Britain is worse.

" Their Covid response was woeful"
Britain, under Johnson, was far, far worse. We had more deaths than any other European country. A huge part of that was the "woeful" response / handling by the Tory government.

" The immigration issue will break them"
The merest look at official (official, not your AI-generated Reform Facebook posts) statistics show immigration issues increasing enormously post-Brexit (and, given the UK lost access to the EU legislation that permitted the return of immigrants to their country of initial registration, you might say it is partly a result of Brexit).

" Their subjugation to trans ideology is complete"
Your use of the term "trans ideology", and the general syntax of your statement, means we can pretty comfortably disregard it altogether.

None of the four things you have said are true, are true, and I am fairly sure you do not know what the CAP even is.

There again, you have shown how politically clueless you are with your initial post.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 06/05/2026 12:27

Yeah, I didn't get through even a third of that diatribe. I'm voting Reform, I have no particular faith in them but my list of reason's for not voting for any of the other party's is long and getting longer everyday.

Given the way the EU is turning into a Global Left dictatorship and well on it's way to imploding, I'm glad we're out and I'm definitely not voting for a party that wants to take us back in.

Suck it up sunshine, everyone gets to choose for themselves who they're giving their X too.

EasternStandard · 06/05/2026 12:33

BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 12:25

"The CAP is a disaster"
Britain is worse.

" Their Covid response was woeful"
Britain, under Johnson, was far, far worse. We had more deaths than any other European country. A huge part of that was the "woeful" response / handling by the Tory government.

" The immigration issue will break them"
The merest look at official (official, not your AI-generated Reform Facebook posts) statistics show immigration issues increasing enormously post-Brexit (and, given the UK lost access to the EU legislation that permitted the return of immigrants to their country of initial registration, you might say it is partly a result of Brexit).

" Their subjugation to trans ideology is complete"
Your use of the term "trans ideology", and the general syntax of your statement, means we can pretty comfortably disregard it altogether.

That agreement doesn’t resolve issues anywhere fid to criteria and acceptance rates, you may have noticed EU countries still struggling too.

BettyBooper · 06/05/2026 12:36

Maybe Reform voters are sick of being patronised and talked down to by people who think they are so much cleverer and so morally virtuous because they have different political views?

I bet you know people who will vote Reform, OP. But they won't tell you this because your position is that your views are morally superior and therefore theirs are morally inferior. And that's why you don't understand it. Because you aren't prepared to actually listen without judgement.

🤷

BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 12:37

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 06/05/2026 12:27

None of the four things you have said are true, are true, and I am fairly sure you do not know what the CAP even is.

There again, you have shown how politically clueless you are with your initial post.

You are, once again, confused.

Which part of my careful explaining to you that the UK was far, far worse in its Covid response that any other European country do you think was "wrong"?

Could it be that we hold the unwelcome record for the most deaths?
Or the care homes debacle?
Or the fact our prime minister held parties during lockdown?

Only a die-hard Tory or an absolute halfwit could celebrate the UK's Covid response; I'm still trying to decide which one you are... 🤔

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BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 12:40

BettyBooper · 06/05/2026 12:36

Maybe Reform voters are sick of being patronised and talked down to by people who think they are so much cleverer and so morally virtuous because they have different political views?

I bet you know people who will vote Reform, OP. But they won't tell you this because your position is that your views are morally superior and therefore theirs are morally inferior. And that's why you don't understand it. Because you aren't prepared to actually listen without judgement.

🤷

Did you read the opening post? I suspect not...

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