Are we all looking forward to David Lammy becoming PM?

[ProudAmberTurtle]

There's no way Starmer can survive this latest scandal.

Lord Mandelson failed his security vetting for the US ambassador job, but he still got the post anyway.

Starmer stood up in Parliament last September and insisted "full due process" was followed — three times.

He therefore either misled parliament and has to resign under the Ministerial Code, or his advisors have misled him and parliament, which is likely a criminal matter and suggests a level of almost unbelievable government incompetence or corruption.

What great things are you hoping this country will achieve under PM Lammy?

I didn't deny there was plotting on if you read my "feeble" post @DenizenOfAisleOfShame

I just pointed out that the Sun is probably making some stuff up. What is wrong with that? @ProudAmberTurtle took no offence. In fact she agreed with my post!

I mean ‘I don’t think you are correct’ and I don’t believe that would be good for the country.

but you keep salivating at the idea of chaos at the heart of Government. It’s worked so well previously.

i think it’ll be at least another 6 months.

Labour gov are now seen as more chaotic than the last gov, going by focus group person this morning.

They’ve done it to themselves.

Yes. I read what you wrote. I didn’t say anything about your (tail end) comment about plotting. Just about your attack on the article as a whole because of the Sun’s speculation of plotters’ tactics. Which is why you started off with “Have you read the article? It makes no sense”.

Yes, because it doesn't make sense! Not sure why you have a problem with me pointing that out.

We shall see what transpires. But my feeling is that Rayner won't be PM any time soon.

I reckon Starmer might make it to party conference season and then perhaps the 🪓 will fall.

I'll be perfectly happy to come back on here and say you were right and I was wrong if Starmer hasn't resigned by this time next month, May 19.

My prediction is that the local elections will go badly for Labour and then his MPs will pounce.

The only realistic way he can save his job is if he threatens them that he'll call a General Election - it's feasible he could still be PM after one but with more than half of his parliamentary party losing their jobs.

If he does go there’ll be some Labour MPs with egg on their faces. Gushing about him today. Liz Kendall for a start.

He will shoulder the predicted wipe out - and the trickier bits of legislation that needs doing but is controversial.

the NEC are his and in situ for quite a bit longer. They are ‘his’ and will stay loyal (hence blocking Burnham from Gorton and Denton which was the right decision IMO).

There are people warming up - but nobody ready to move. It’s not as simple in the Labour Party to takeover and oust a sitting pm with a massive mandate. Much as the media would have you believe.

What is the actual process, do you know?

OK.

One other aspect of that article I find interesting is that the photos got taken at all. I can’t help thinking that nervous plotters would be on the phone, WhatsApp etc.

Look to me like they wanted to send a signal to Starmer - and maybe others - that plotting is now blatant.

I don’t think it’s the media that will do it but Labour itself.

All of this is on them.

It's a lazy Sunday, I have a sort of opposite opinion.
Starmer goes now, next few days.
Could Labour's popularity improve? Would people interpret it as a confessional move and applaud them for taking a principled decision?
Tea and a biscuit next please.

I don’t think it would make much difference. There’s a chunk of people who were never going to support Labour regardless of who leads it. That’s been clear since the day they won.

More importantly, there hasn’t been anything like the internal pressure we saw with Boris Johnson’s resignation. There’s no wave of Labour MPs publicly calling for Keir Starmer to resign, no mass front bench walkouts.

So any takeover wouldn’t be a rapid overhaul of the current government because they seem to be aligned with his decisions.

He’s seriously not going - what’s happened regardless of the hullabaloo being inflamed is not going to end him. The locals / Scotland and Wales will be awful. There are also tricksy bits of reform he’s taking through.
the levers to get rid of him are wielded by people he put in place. They will not move until there is someone in the wings. The ‘in the wings’ people know this - they are not ready.
then he will go leaving a clear run at the 2029 for a new leader.

I’m going to ignore the anti labour person who endlessly pipes up on politics threads as ‘it’s Sunday and I can’t be arsed’ - it’s like yelling into a void.

I’m going to ignore the anti labour person who endlessly pipes up on politics threads as ‘it’s Sunday and I can’t be arsed’ - it’s like yelling into a void.

Nobody is obliged to change their mind because of you disagreeing with them, you know! People who don't like Labour could also describe their posting in the same way, if the Labour supporters don't change their mind. I think that both sides find the other's unfathomable.

I know that - I just can’t be bothered engaging with it 🤣

I don’t get the Sunday thing anyway, that poster replied to someone who mentioned it and didn’t ignore it.

And yep pro Labour will stick to that no matter what.

There aren't that many pro Labour left, TBF.

True although some on here are promoting him still.

TBH, you might as well say there aren't many pro Tories, Greens or Reformites.....

All inc Labour are on between 18% to 24% ... even when it comes to personal ratings, they are all viewed negatively, with more dissatisfied than happy.....

Badenoch only on 21%, despite Labours v clear issues.... Starmer 19% - this is pre the latest Mandelson saga.

Margin of error is 2% to 3%

Shockingly, our next Govt may be decided by less than 25% of the popular vote but get a landslide..... echo's of Labours problems.....

The prime minister wasn't told, how on earth can we blame him for this. He was appointed and picked by the prime ministers team, but if he wasn't told of his failure to pass vetting....why are are blaming the PM.

I have a bridge to sell you!

Today was speaking to someone involved in DV clearance... its not normal to tell anyone of the specific results.

2 CS have said they knew for weeks and said nothing... i don't like Starmer, he should have gone around a year ago or even earlier, after the expenses thing, IHT and WFA..... but on this, IF he wasn't told, then its not his fault.

I ve had SC over many years, the idea that my personal info would be disclosed, would have meant i wouldn't have gone through the process.

One other thing, would the UK have got a favourable FTA with the USA without Mandelson?

Starmer and co didn’t even wait further vetting to conclude. They appointed Mandelson before he failed.

He’ll keep sacking people, Sue Gray, Morgan McSweeney, Olly Robbins and more. But his statement on all due process was a lie and not even checked.