Why would mumsnet leftists vote Green over reform?

[Wizeman]

Now I have your attention

What are the substantive political reasons for voting for the Green Party over Reform UK?

Please avoid responses based on personality or tone (e.g., claims that one leader is “nicer” than the other). Instead, I am interested in clear policy-based arguments and ideological reasoning.
Reform UK is led by Nigel Farage, a businessman with a long-standing role in national politics. The Green Party is currently led by Zak Polanski, whose professional background includes work in theatre and as a hypnotist.

With that in mind, I would welcome serious explanations focused on policy positions, governance approach, economic strategy, and long-term outcomes, rather than personal character assessments.

I assume you’re writing some sort of essay/dissertation about this. Fess up…tell us! Have you previously been caught using ChatGPT?
Please back up your answer!

What do you think of the green party policy to legalise all drugs?

You’ve just about got your dissertation written for you now!

Immigrants are not the ones causing the problems in the NHS. Migrants are generally young, fit and healthy, so not massive users of the NHS. They do staff it though!

I do sometimes to quickly add any corrections but I haven't used it on this thread. Thanks

Yes they are, it has nothing to do with the individual migrants but the high amount coming in legally and illegally.

Surprised anyone's biting 😂. No chance.

and write on one side of the paper only. Do you think your tone is ever so slightly off to the point I’d rather not engage with you.

I'm not saying it has anything to do with individuals either - if you look at immigrants as a group they are healthier than native people, so make less use of the NHS. The NHS also uses a lot of immigrant doctors and nurses, so they are contributing to the NHS.

Please back up your claim.

I’m not entering into any debate with someone who uses the term “leftists”.

the reform party want to take us out of the echr which will remove us from the working time directive, along with such things as equality between spouses. They want to move the NHS to a US style insurance based system. Some in the party are talking about limiting women’s access to abortion in the style of America.

I’ve never voted Green but as a left leaning voter I’d place my vote ANYWHERE but with reform.

All you need to do is look and see if it has worked anywhere else. They did it in Portugal and after 10 years they are scrambling to do a u turn.

My point pretty simple, if 500k people enter the country each year, you need to build the infrastructure for 500k people each year, to build infrastructure for 500k people can cost from 50 to 100 billion. I dont mind migrants working in the nhs, but everyone entering the country is a doctor or nurse. I want a migration model of 10k net with high skilled professionals entering, such as surgeons and doctors.

So, OP, you’re not in favour of immigration for humanitarian reasons?

Where's the evidence that we need to build infrastructure to match migration though? The whole point is that it's not a straight line graph, your "simple point" is too simplistic and not borne up by reality.

This is why labour are in power, they didn't back up there answers yet people voted for them. No substance.

Reform is the Racist Party

Because climate change is real and we need politicians to actually do something about it

You're stating opinion as fact there. As far as I know, there is little evidence that taxing wealth causes an exodus of the rich in Western countries.

Stopping immigration to protect the NHS would have little effect, and could end up being counterproductive. The demographic pressure that the NHS is facing is largely caused by our own ageing population, and to imply otherwise is deeply harmful. You need to correctly identify a problem before you can solve it.

Not particularly left wing, more centre. I’d vote Green over Reform, I’d vote anyone over Reform. Threads like these are not helping Reform’s case I personally feel and just piss lots of people off and put them off Reform even more.

I couldn't vote for either. If either were elected, I wouldn't jump ship & emigrate though. I'd stay right here and fight to get them kicked out as soon as humanly possible.

I would never ever vote for reform so would vote for the party most likely defeat them that was sufficiently on the left to align with my beliefs. If that was Green then I'd do it.

Are they? I did a quick Google last night, and on first glance, addiction rates seem steady, drug deaths, HIV, and crime are all down and significantly lower than in EU countries, including the UK, whose drug death rate is rapidly increasing.

It seems to be working quite well for Portugal.

You keep asking people to back up their claims while apparently pulling facts out of your arse. Maybe link some reports/studies to back up your own claims?

Not enough houses, higher energy bills because of more demand from less energy plants, long nhs waiting lists, pot holes in your roads. That's some of the basic ones. This is the"reality". Dont tell me your a pothole denier!

Leftists? What in the Tufton Road BS is this?

Brexit introduced trading barriers between the UK and its biggest trading partner. This has been (as everyone sensible knew it would be) very damaging to the UK economy with no obvious benefit. There was no way the government could have delivered Brexit that would have been better than what we had before.
For some reason people are prepared to give credibility to the person who sold this crap idea to voters rather than him slinking off in shame and embarrassment.