Why would mumsnet leftists vote Green over reform?

[Wizeman]

Now I have your attention

What are the substantive political reasons for voting for the Green Party over Reform UK?

Please avoid responses based on personality or tone (e.g., claims that one leader is “nicer” than the other). Instead, I am interested in clear policy-based arguments and ideological reasoning.
Reform UK is led by Nigel Farage, a businessman with a long-standing role in national politics. The Green Party is currently led by Zak Polanski, whose professional background includes work in theatre and as a hypnotist.

With that in mind, I would welcome serious explanations focused on policy positions, governance approach, economic strategy, and long-term outcomes, rather than personal character assessments.

Its hard to say definitively because there's no public dataset that breaks down by nationality of the applicants.

Based on applications that were heard by the court only, and the subject matter (e.g., what the relevant rights subject to litigation were), I'd estimate 80-90% were brought by or on behalf of citizens or other legal residents.

That probably means non-citizens/residents are somewhat over-reprented (as a proportion of the population) but that isn't entirely surprising given the far greater level of direct government involvement/control over their day-to-day

The radical Islamists don't tend to be that big on women's rights from what I've heard from them.

It seems unlikely that radical Islamists would vote for Farage. Women’s rights would wind back more than half a century if Reform got its hands on power.

And probably about 12 centuries if the Greens get in and the radical Islam faction wins the inevitable civil war with team blue hair.

If you want to lose abortion and maternity rights go right ahead and vote Reform. I’m enough of a feminist not to be prepared to do that to generations of women.

I would for anyone except Reform. Even Tory. Words I never thought I’d utter

You think that radical Islam will preserve abortion and maternity rights?

Me too. Kemi Badenoch is starting to say quite reasonable things. I know there are still some loons left in the Tory party but they're not as loony as Reform.

Why do you think radical Islam will ever get a say in the UK government?

The Green Party is now an unholy alliance between blue haired far left Gaza obsessed activists, acting as the useful idiots for their radical Islamic partners. I have far more trust in Farage and Tice to preserve the rights of women than I do Islamo-fascist-green alliance.

In other words your tin hat is coming in useful.

@Blossomtoes you think that the far left hasn't gotten into bed with radical Islam? Even their past deputy leader labelled them as having a "Toxic cocktail of Islamism".

I don’t believe this for a second but if it were true what’s worse a far right in bed with Russia or the far left in bed with Islam ?

I haven’t yet heard any reform mp’s or councillors yell their loyalty to mother Russia upon being declared the victor, but we’ve heard a few Allah Akhbar’s in midland towns where they’ve won on Gaza tickets, while bins remain unemptied.

And yet:

• the former leader of Reform in Wales is serving 10 years after pleading guilty to accepting Russian bribes;

• almost 90% of Reform's donations are from Christopher Harborne, a major stakeholder in Rumble (a pro-Kremlin video platform) and Tether (a cryptocurrency used by Russia to evade sanctions).

And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Farage slips his tongue up Vlad's rear from time to time.

I've not read past this post, but had to respond.

The very fact that a new party found that it had 100 candidates who needed to be dropped or suspended after posting racist and offensive posts on social media, is mind blowing. It says a hell of a lot about the kind of people who are drawn to the party and want to represent it. There must be a reason why they felt comfortable there.

I don't need to look beyond Reform's lies and deliberate misinformation about asylum seekers, to know that they will never get my vote.

Still, I’ll take my chances with them rather than the eco-zealots and thinly veiled Muslim brotherhood representatives. It’s not a great choice. Will likely go conservative, with a heavy heart after they locked down the country for a cold. Actually, no. I hate the lot of them.

I ve read on another thread that Reforms Matt Goodwin, personally chosen to represent then at the Denton by-election, wants to introduce a "negative child benefit tax" to force women into having children....

I didn't at first believe this until i Googled it, its from a blog he wrote in 2023....

Another right wing CEO on a podcast recently said "that the state must intervene if birth rates continue to fall...."

This is all horrific... and the Tories mimic them.

They’re so stupid they don’t understand that carrots work better than sticks. If people could afford decent housing they’d be more inclined to have children.

This idea that far-left and far-right do a loop and overlap each other has been de-bunked. There is sometimes overlap in the sense that their leaders become dictators - which is where America is heading. But in terms of ideology, they do not overlap. There is certainly no overlap between the greens and reform. People just misunderstand what Reform really stand for because they deliberately try to bamboozle people into thinking they support the working class when none of their proposals actually do. But voters see Nige down the pub, having a fag and flying his England flag and think that means hes one of us. But he's a very privileged and wealthy man and his ideology is to keep the minions in their place and keep the likes of him wealthy. It's straight out of Trump's playbook. I cant believe people fall for it. Farage just wants power. Ive resigned myself to the fact that they may get into power but it won't last long. People will soon see him for what he is.

If we were mumsnet leftists why would we vote reform who are not leftist by anyone’s measure? Or are you saying reform now consider themselves to be a leftist option? Your question does not make sense.
traditional Green Party voters are liberal minded, care about the planet and nature and are generally anti war and open minded about immigration (of course this is a generalisation and every voter will be different) - many (like me) mourn the loss of the EU membership and the freedoms that came with it. Now that is all personal choice but even if they don’t vote for the new Green Party why on earth, given this, would they vote reform? At a push sure Lib Dem is a better fit or even labour…

Or are you saying reform now consider themselves to be a leftist option?

Remember how many people were fooled by "National Socialism".

I have voted Green in the past but can't vote for them in their current shitstate.

I'd still vote green every damn day for the rest of my life over Nige's Racist Loony Party.

But to play along, Nigel wants to scrap carbon emission targets. I think it's blindingly obvious that climate change is the single biggest threat to human life by a considerable margin. I would like to see much higher engagement with policies designed to address this, not scrapping them.

I don’t want my country governed by the proxy of a Bitcoin billionaire. I don’t want my husband deported. I don’t like racist scum.

I don’t agree with scrapping net zero targets completely, but I do think that the urgent need to find more money (eg for defence) means that we should reassess the timescales involved and avoid damaging the economy with net zero in the current political climate. Like you, I don’t agree with targeting disabled people, but I do agree with reforming the welfare system to ensure all those claiming benefits really do need them and aren’t just milking the system because they’ve been taught how to do so by tik tok videos/falsely believe that their adhd/anxiety prevents them from earning a living. Teaching these people that they have no choice but to be dependent on the state is not doing them a kindness. I don’t think it is right to stop welfare payments after four months if someone genuinely can’t find work, but suspect that improvements could be made to the way this is assessed. I’m not up to speed with Reform’s plans for the NHS but it’s not working at the minute so alternatives do need to be explored. I don’t like the way Reform place all the blame on immigrants, as if getting rid of them would solve all our problems, as that is clearly racist and wrong. However, we do need to limit the numbers of people arriving on our shores. The current situation is unsustainable and the Green’s answer would make things far worse. Farage was wrong to back Trump over Iran and his close alliance with Trump is a worry, but, then again, Trump will be out in a couple of years - fingers crossed.