Conservatives closing the gap on reform

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Any conservative supporters here ?
Recent reports say the gap on reform is closing
Having watched some clips of kemi in action,I was quite impressed
But I don't know much about the party having never voted conservative,
Have they more of an insight in to current feeling than labour?

I totally agree that the electorate won't go for it, even though it has been shown to create economic growth.

But 22% of the working age population are economically inactive so they are not going to vote for Corporation tax cuts and would favour increased welfare spending.

Of those in work, 35% don't pay any income tax so they wouldn't be in favour of tax cuts either.

And lastly 18% of all those in work are in the public sector so they would have no interest in cutting corporation tax either and would again favour higher government spending.

Perhaps the only option is for the country to go bankrupt and then have policies imposed on the country by the likes of the IMF or ECB because the electorate certainly won't vote for it.

Yep, there’s a few threads on here and you can see the ever increasing demands. Although mn is a bit at odds with polling. Still I agree with your points, it’s not something people will get.

@1dayatatime
If the corporate tax was lowered but capital gains was raised (with no tax on investment +10%), this could help business whilst also taxing people on assets. People would be more likely to support a decrease in corporation tax, if they thought that it wasn't just to support the rich but to grow the economy.
Reform is gaining support and they plan to cut taxes on business.

If the conservatives continue to adapt the Reform policies I would vote for them. The biggest issue is who will sort of the welfare bill.

UK had, for several years, very low Corp tax rates, one of the lowest in the G20.

It gave us zero to 1% growth pa but cost the Govt a fortune.

People who advocate low taxes need to realise that businesses need more than that.
So i know a CEO of a firm that is growing fast, despite the NI costs, he grows through innovation and seeking skills from around the world, until he went overseas, it was lack of UK skills, technical, development & marketing that was holding him back.
They now have S/W dev and helpdesk abroad, various other functions in India the USA, S/Africa & Europe.

The rest of your post is advocating higher taxes, cutting triple lock isn't going to save us & how much would it save when many pensions forced onto benefits? inflation is falling, so is wage growth, so pension increases will slow.

But what we really need is skills and better public services so companies that do grow or invest in the UK, have the faith that the workforce can get healthcare, their kids have good schools, that the company can transport goods cheaply and on time.

We don't have any of this.

The public can also understand that there are economies of scale when having children as baby equipment/clothes/toys etc can be shared so child benefit should be decreased after the first/second child

They don’t stay little for ever. I take it you don’t have expensive teens?

Doesn't matter how big they get, hand me downs still work.

How so?

Should 14yo Stephen wear Emily's cloths as she grows out of them? esp when Emily is small for her age but Stephen takes after his Dad and is of much larger build, not fat but just bigger

Why don't you just come out with it and say the poor should be in the Work House if they cannot manage?

Nail on the head there in all aspects. Definitely some way of transferring assets from the old to the young to encourage spending, investment, etc.

😁yeah.

My ds was 10 years older than dd. She’d have looked amazing in his hand me downs.

Not just clothes though is it? More than one teen can share an Xbox - they don't "need" one each if parents can't afford it! Same applies at other ages, especially younger, i.e. you only need one swing or climbing frame, xmas presents like games can be shared, bikes and scooters etc can be bought to share (i.e. neutral colours if mixed sex children etc rather than pink or blue!). You can get family subscriptions for netflix, spotify etc so an extra child doesn't mean extra subscription costs. Food is often cheaper per person if larger items bought. There are lots of ways in which economies of scale work for bigger families. Clothes are just a small part of it.

100% some people have no clue of the practicalities and thats before we get onto school bullying over wearing worn out clothing etc

I'm sure families struggling don't even have these subscriptions/x boxes and bicycles? you re kidding me....

When just having the heating on is a luxury, even a 2nd hand bike isn't going to happen.

Climbing frame/swing? FFS do you even consider that many poorer people don't even have a fucking garden?

Unbelievable.

I don't understand the problem? I wore hand me downs and so have my kids. Worn ones look much better than pristine new things. And if you are expecting tax payers to fund your kids wardrobes because you can't why would you expect to have brand new things?

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X box: why would a small child want an x box? From her brother 10 years older?
Swings/scooters/slides- not with a 10 year gap
Food is not cheaper in any way with teens. They have hollow legs. Buy in bulk, they’ll eat in bulk
People have Spotify and Netflix with no children. Why does it make it cheaper having more? Yeah, there’s family subs, but there’s always a limit on them anyway.

Your post is nonsense.

Worn ones often look crap. Washed to death, bobbly, stained, holey.

Not usually. All my kids wardrobes were hand me downs including shoes. No problem with a few bobbles or holes. We're not fussy. Anyway its better for the environment to recycle clothes. Most people do it (or should) rather than buying new.

I’m not sure Primark stands up to lots of hand me downs tbh.

You need a high quality item to be able to hand it down. Like they were in the 70’s. Not the cheap crap we have now. Unless you can afford posh stuff.

Not true. My kids wear a fair bit of Primark seconds. Vinted is probably cheaper and better anyway for seconds. You don't need to shop at Primark.

I suppose I'm not on benefits though. So handmedowns is all we get!

Some things perhaps (school uniforms, coats) but not shoes, underwear, socks and tbh i don't think a boy should be wearing dresses that are now too small for his sister....

Its all rather depressing, 5th richest country in the World, top 25 per capita, 3m millionaires but the less fortunate can live in rags....

Agree; welfare and immigration (they also have a toxic relationship with each other).

And no; I’m not talking about cruel or extreme changes to wrangle financial support from severely disabled people, or mass deportation of UK citizens. Before anyone starts the hysterical hyperbole around workhouses and concentration camps.

Its not hyperbole, its the logical conclusion of Reform & possibly Tory policies.

They cannot reduce Welfare budgets or curb immigration without drastic measures or it would have been done by now.

Do you think Farage is joking when he says he intends to deport people he doesn't want here?
Do you think he will let them live in their homes whilst they wait to be sent "home"
No, they will be placed in camps...

On Welfare, we will see ever tougher restrictions placed on claimants, with demands that they must work for their benefits (already happening) and "why should the tax payer fund their private housing?" "why can't they live in a hostel?" "Free up their homes for the deserving poor"

We are going full circle.

Hi Kemi

This is surely nonsense by now. She’s polling higher than Starmer.

Hand me downstairs aren't rags. Thanks very much!! Im not on benefits. My kids (and I) wear hand me downs. I'm not proud. Plus as I said it's better for the environment. Why can't people on benefits do the same? Or at least not have to buy brand new everything for each child?. Just because tax payers are paying and not themselves? It's mad!

Loads of things can be used and worn by both sexes too.

Not sure we are still the 5th richest. Or if we are, we won't be for much longer.