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GroundZero · 2025-11-29T16:27:55+00:00

Apparently, the Tories have launched a petition *www.sackreeves.com* urging the PM to sack the Chancellor, after she was accused of misleading the public over the state of the UK’s finances. If she is sacked, who could/should replace her?

TheRealGoose · 02/12/2025 07:14

dwordle · 02/12/2025 06:59

Maybe you should have some patience because things take many years to improve. The country has returned to industrial growth with manufacturing output increasing for the first time in 10 years.

It's been a rough year for many but look at things like Jaguar Land Rover and the cyber attack that halted production...that's not the governments fault. Look at what Trump has done to world trade....it's caused a complete global shift and put a lot of pressure on prices.

We have family in America and right now things are tough. The cost of living, which traditionally was low, is now higher than Europe. So despite all the low taxes your food shop will be higher across the pond than it is here.

I'm a heating engineer and it's brisk and no shortage of work. I've always paid my apprentices well above the minimum wage. My year three apprentices typically earn £43,000 a year....they earn there money and it's only right that's paid to them. So this idea we should pay young people less boils my piss, because it sounds like an excuse to exploit.

Despite all the doom and gloom this country should hold it's head up high and be proud of it's welfare system, the fact it's changed from the dark years of Thatcher where young people were exploited and forced onto YTS for 27 quid a week. We voted a government in that promised to make the country fairer and this is what they are doing.

So my heart bleeds for the billionaires, property tycoons turning homes into HMOs, the final salary pension brigade who do nothing but moan about how bad things are when in fact they have had the skin off the rice pudding for decades. People need to accept that the services we receive cost pounds and pennies and they ain't free. So the choice is have a welfare system that is fit for purpose or end up like America or India where the poorest are destitute.

We need ten years of stability now not chaos that will come from Farage. Look Brexit, David Cameron, George Osborne, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown....all the heavy weights warned of falling living standards.....Hesaltine warned of catastrophic consequences. Yet people honestly think Farage hold the answers. Even a dog can link pain with the abuser....come on people wake up.

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Oh give over, the economy has basically tanked since Labour took over, yes it will take many years to improve, as we’ve 4 more years of Labour before someone else can take over and start to fix the shit show. Unemployment is rising, businesses can’t afford all the taxes, jobs are being lost in swathes, the increases to min wage is making it worse, the cost passed on to the consumers, who are being taxed to the hilt. And no one is denying we need a welfare state, but we are saying there needs to be an incentive to work, not giving unemployed people tens of thousands of pounds.

the way starmer and reeves are talking you’d think we had kids begging on the streets, and it’s Dickensian out there, it’s not, sure it exists but not to the level they are trying to portray to justify their actions.

and they lied. She had 4 billion of head room, she lied, he lied, so they could raise more taxes and give it to welfare recipients, not taxing rhe rich, they compounded the col crisis, compounded the unemployment issue, and they’ve done fuck all to sort the nhs out.

so yes it will take time, but for the simple reason we need to wait for someone else to come in and fix the damage they are inflicting on us.

LidlAmaretto · 02/12/2025 07:27

So my heart bleeds for the billionaires
Billionnaires don't live in £5m homes. They live in £100m homes and can find £7.5k down the back of the sofa. They have taxed middle income people and people who can't afford a hike in the CoL and made it more difficult of people who need entry level jobs but can't find them.

TheRealGoose · 02/12/2025 07:45

LidlAmaretto · 02/12/2025 07:27

So my heart bleeds for the billionaires
Billionnaires don't live in £5m homes. They live in £100m homes and can find £7.5k down the back of the sofa. They have taxed middle income people and people who can't afford a hike in the CoL and made it more difficult of people who need entry level jobs but can't find them.

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Exactly, and the billionaires are mobile. They can and do leave. And critically the billionaires are the growth and wealth creators. They create the jobs. That we all rely on. We need them to stay. Because when they go, so do people’s livelyhoods.

MNLurker1345 · 02/12/2025 12:46

dwordle · 02/12/2025 06:59

Maybe you should have some patience because things take many years to improve. The country has returned to industrial growth with manufacturing output increasing for the first time in 10 years.

It's been a rough year for many but look at things like Jaguar Land Rover and the cyber attack that halted production...that's not the governments fault. Look at what Trump has done to world trade....it's caused a complete global shift and put a lot of pressure on prices.

We have family in America and right now things are tough. The cost of living, which traditionally was low, is now higher than Europe. So despite all the low taxes your food shop will be higher across the pond than it is here.

I'm a heating engineer and it's brisk and no shortage of work. I've always paid my apprentices well above the minimum wage. My year three apprentices typically earn £43,000 a year....they earn there money and it's only right that's paid to them. So this idea we should pay young people less boils my piss, because it sounds like an excuse to exploit.

Despite all the doom and gloom this country should hold it's head up high and be proud of it's welfare system, the fact it's changed from the dark years of Thatcher where young people were exploited and forced onto YTS for 27 quid a week. We voted a government in that promised to make the country fairer and this is what they are doing.

So my heart bleeds for the billionaires, property tycoons turning homes into HMOs, the final salary pension brigade who do nothing but moan about how bad things are when in fact they have had the skin off the rice pudding for decades. People need to accept that the services we receive cost pounds and pennies and they ain't free. So the choice is have a welfare system that is fit for purpose or end up like America or India where the poorest are destitute.

We need ten years of stability now not chaos that will come from Farage. Look Brexit, David Cameron, George Osborne, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown....all the heavy weights warned of falling living standards.....Hesaltine warned of catastrophic consequences. Yet people honestly think Farage hold the answers. Even a dog can link pain with the abuser....come on people wake up.

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@dwordle, I have nothing but patience. I know and understand that any recovery is going to be slow and hard.

I really do not engage in the “Tories were worse” narrative. I care about where we are today and how we are going to improve growth and productivity in this country in order provide better living standards.

Unfortunately, I do not have faith in this government. I believe in its desire to be a successful government but I do not see any plans for reform of the NHS, in Education, the welfare system is growing unsustainably and we are not building at the rate we need to.

The OBR, giving evidence before today’s Treasury Select Committee said nothing in the budget will provide significant growth and that raising taxes by way of threshold freezes does not increase national wealth and that pro growth measures were to small to be significant also.

The only thing we can have is patience, because there is not much real evidence of anything else.

Trolleysaregoodforemployment · 02/12/2025 17:43

MNLurker1345 · 02/12/2025 12:46

@dwordle, I have nothing but patience. I know and understand that any recovery is going to be slow and hard.

I really do not engage in the “Tories were worse” narrative. I care about where we are today and how we are going to improve growth and productivity in this country in order provide better living standards.

Unfortunately, I do not have faith in this government. I believe in its desire to be a successful government but I do not see any plans for reform of the NHS, in Education, the welfare system is growing unsustainably and we are not building at the rate we need to.

The OBR, giving evidence before today’s Treasury Select Committee said nothing in the budget will provide significant growth and that raising taxes by way of threshold freezes does not increase national wealth and that pro growth measures were to small to be significant also.

The only thing we can have is patience, because there is not much real evidence of anything else.

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I really do not engage in the “Tories were worse” narrative. I care about where we are today and how we are going to improve growth and productivity in this country in order provide better living standards.

This x 1000000000

Snowonground · 03/12/2025 07:32

Trolleysaregoodforemployment · 02/12/2025 17:43

I really do not engage in the “Tories were worse” narrative. I care about where we are today and how we are going to improve growth and productivity in this country in order provide better living standards.

This x 1000000000

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I'm now thinking rather wistfully about the Conservatives. Out of the frying pan into the fire. We thought we had escaped Corbyn but forgot Keir Starmer was always Corbyn's man.

It's only going to get worse when RR and KS go, too. Plenty more Labour nutters waiting in the wings.

Trolleysaregoodforemployment · 03/12/2025 12:53

Snowonground · 03/12/2025 07:32

I'm now thinking rather wistfully about the Conservatives. Out of the frying pan into the fire. We thought we had escaped Corbyn but forgot Keir Starmer was always Corbyn's man.

It's only going to get worse when RR and KS go, too. Plenty more Labour nutters waiting in the wings.

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I have just watched Lisa Nandy saying she didn't think people would think they were misled...

TheRealGoose · 03/12/2025 13:11

Trolleysaregoodforemployment · 03/12/2025 12:53

I have just watched Lisa Nandy saying she didn't think people would think they were misled...

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So she’s surprised? I don’t think any of them thought it as they never thought the obr would whistle blow.

and now the obr is saying due to the huge increase in welfare, which is going to grow enormously she may need to come back for more taxes.

becaude once you offer folks this kind of money to not work and have babies, you’re going to find a shit ton of people taking the offer up.

BIossomtoes · 03/12/2025 13:14

and now the obr is saying due to the huge increase in welfare, which is going to grow enormously she may need to come back for more taxes.

Where and when did the OBR say that? I don’t suppose there’s any chance of a link?

Snowonground · 03/12/2025 14:28

There's an article in the Telegraph today which says that the Budget provides. ..

"There is an extra £675bn bill to cover the cost of renewing existing borrowing in the form of government loans, known as gilts.

This is on top of £628bn increased government spending over the next five years.

Together, these two bills amount to a “debt mountain” of £1.3tn. The extra borrowing will take the national debt to £3.53tn – which equates to £50,840 for every man, woman and child in the country."

So RR has lied again when she says she is reducing debt?

Trolleysaregoodforemployment · 03/12/2025 14:45

Snowonground · 03/12/2025 14:28

There's an article in the Telegraph today which says that the Budget provides. ..

"There is an extra £675bn bill to cover the cost of renewing existing borrowing in the form of government loans, known as gilts.

This is on top of £628bn increased government spending over the next five years.

Together, these two bills amount to a “debt mountain” of £1.3tn. The extra borrowing will take the national debt to £3.53tn – which equates to £50,840 for every man, woman and child in the country."

So RR has lied again when she says she is reducing debt?

I wish I was young enough to emigrate!

surreygirly · 03/12/2025 14:46

My cat would be a better option
Or Diane Abbot that would be hilarious

JoyintheMorning · 04/12/2025 08:34

PodMom · 01/12/2025 07:27

Oxford and then a Masters at LSE. She must be intelligent.

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So What! She and others like her in the Labour Party take such a narrow view when confronted by a problem. They cannot imagine how other people live who are not in that world.
She and PM may be clever but they are not wise.

Katypp · 04/12/2025 09:01

JoyintheMorning · 04/12/2025 08:34

So What! She and others like her in the Labour Party take such a narrow view when confronted by a problem. They cannot imagine how other people live who are not in that world.
She and PM may be clever but they are not wise.

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Exactly. No one in the Labour Party seems to have any clue about consequences, never mind unintended consequences of their policies. It's quite staggering actually