Luxury cars removed from the motability scheme

[AutumnLeavesandKnittedJumpers]

https://news.sky.com/story/luxury-cars-removed-from-motability-scheme-ahead-of-budget-13475029

too little too late. As a full time worker I can’t afford to run a car, let alone a luxury car. Motability should be a standard car - available in automatic and manual, an option for wheelchair users, and that’s it.

Tell me about it 😅

In MN's ideal world, I should:

• not work from home, because it isn't fair on colleagues
• not have reasonable adjustments in the workplace because it isn't fair on colleagues
• not have a motability car to get to work
• not get enough in PIP to buy my own car
• never drive again because I'm epileptic even if I'm a year seizure free
• use public transport but not have benefits to pay for it so can't use public transport
• so work from home but don't work from home because it isn't fair etc etc...

It's a long winded way of saying "have you tried not being epileptic?" 🤣

Which is available to all severely disabled people if they qualify, regardless of whether they use the scheme or not. VAT is waived on all equipment/vehicles used to support those who qualify - which includes motability scheme users who qualify via the level of disability needed to get HRM. Or do you think full rate VAT should be applied to all, thereby excluding the very people the scheme was meant to help ?

I drive my adult daughters car. She has learning disabilities, can't access public transport. I drive her to work, to her clubs. We are a high earning family, but she qualifies in her own right as she is an adult with learning difficulties. We will be looking after her for all our lives.

"But I can afford cheese on my burger"

"IF YOU CAN AFFORD CHEESE ON YOUR BURGER, WHY ARE YOU HAVING A BURGER IN THE FIRST PLACE?"

no they do not. For the one thousandth time, motability users only get the mobility component of PIP. The price of that servicing on a luxury car will be calculated by motability and added to the advance payment. There is no payment for VAT because people with disabilities do not pay vat on items that are needed because they are disabled.

Tbf in England (not Scotland obvs) standards in English and Maths have risen to be some of the highest in the world in the league tables. Obviously that's elitist though so Bridget Philipson will knock those down.

People who need an adapted vehicle in the UK don't really have any choice other than to go via the Motability scheme.

It's so comprehensively set up that a private industry doesn't really exist. You physically can't buy and convert a vehicle privately and insure and tax it.

They’ve already removed the “luxury” vehicles from their website(Beside WAVs) as have many dealerships(They certainly work fast) so to be fair looking for them is going to be difficult for anyone but some certainly existed as I can find them on Google images including vehicles(Not just WAVs) from this year but again they’ve been removed now because of the changes.

The luxury cars have sometimes a deposit of £8k, you also do not get that back after the 3 years. 8k over a 3 year period roughly around £220 a month, then there whole mobility allowance is taken away so £77 weekly so around £308 a month. So these higher end ones still cost them in the long fun over £500 per month

Can you share examples please?

https://www.motaclarity.co.uk/motability-cars/audi/q2

It’s increasingly difficult because dealerships are updating their websites but you can find traces.

Yes, it will make zero difference to the taxpayer, but will placate those people who are currently up in arms about 'luxury cars'. Once again the Government is treating the public like children, who don't know any better. They are being taken for a ride. Those people who have an issue with Motability, and the range of cars available, should be projecting their ire upwards, not downwards.

This is another.

They can still lease any luxury car they want and use their pip to pay for it!

Thanks, @AutisticAndMore

It's just as well I eat my double McPlant burger with vegan cheese, mayo, salad, gherkins and extra vegan patty at home where noone can see me then, isn't it? And enjoy every bite. 😋

Ah, well, luckily looks like you and 90% of this thread will get your wish. As of about an hour ago, Rach, who seems to understand these things as well as most people frothing on here, seems likely to introduce Insurance Premiums and scrap VAT exemptions. All that will lead to is less disabled people being able to afford a higher cost car that better suits their needs. It won't save the sainted taxpayer a single penny. In fact it might cost you more, if it means some of the approx 673,000 In Work recipients of PIP can no longer afford a car that is suitable for their needs. So the losers will be disabled people and probably taxpayers - but at least it's fair. Of course the removal of the VAT exemption won't apply to the ex Motability cars being sold on - God no - mustn't damage the profits of the four major high street banks that own Motability.

You eat vegan food?

How dare you, there's perfectly good non-vegan food, you should have exactly the same as everyone else and be grateful for it 😠

Unless they need any modifications at all, which aren't really available except through Motability....

Labour out-Torying the Tories - again!

I wonder how many times this info has had to repeated in this thread and how many people STILL can’t get it into their heads that it doesn’t coast the taxpayer more.

wishing all the begrudgers an Essentials range Christmas and life.

@TheCrenchinglyMcQuaffenBrothers
It will be interesting to see how those banks and insurers fight back - I wonder how much Ms Reeves will have factored that in?
As for the CEO of Motability- wonder if he will have anything to say about the impact for his very successful charity with changes being made to VAT costs when users cannot afford the scheme any more.
No VAT benefit for HMRC then.
Ah well, I’m sure those lenders and those operating the charity will just sit back and allow misinformation and possible defamation curtail this particular cash-cow.
I hope a separate adapted vehicle company moves in and takes over.

You’re welcome.

Btw before anyone pounces on me again,(Not you) I am in favour of reforms to the benefits system especially due to budgetary constraints but that includes what I see as improvements that would actively benefit people with disabilities(I think that you should be allowed a power chair and WAV via the scheme for one) I’d also be somewhat in favour of this, particularly helping to manufacture more vehicles in the UK, if it still allowed people to choose a vehicle that worked for their individual disabilities, if it doesn’t then providing money to be spent on a vehicle that is unsuitable or increases their disabilities and pain is actually a bigger insult to taxpayers and a bigger waste of money than allowing disabled people to select a vehicle that works for them.

This thread has been going only about 9 hours and it’s close to full (1000 comments) already.

The hatred, even unwarranted jealousy, of disabled people is nakedly apparent. As is the bloody ignorance. It’s easy to see those who know nothing about the PIP/ADP/DLA process, the Motability scheme, the law on VAT exemptions for disability related purchases, costs to the public purse etc. Hell, some don’t even realise that many disabled people do work, and often helped to do so because they have access to a Motability car.

It’s clear that many posters here on Mumsnet don’t think disabled people should be allowed money to help them have as full a life as the able bodied population, they shouldn’t be able to spend any money they do have, nor should they have any choice in the things they buy.

What nasty, cruel people these women are. You know who you are and you need to hang your heads in shame while hoping you, or a member of your family, never gets disabled enough to need this scheme. I bet you happily accepted your Child Benefit, too.

They probably accept funding for child care from the taxpayer though…