Luxury cars removed from the motability scheme

[AutumnLeavesandKnittedJumpers]

https://news.sky.com/story/luxury-cars-removed-from-motability-scheme-ahead-of-budget-13475029

too little too late. As a full time worker I can’t afford to run a car, let alone a luxury car. Motability should be a standard car - available in automatic and manual, an option for wheelchair users, and that’s it.

If you convinced the PIP assessor that you cannot follow an unfamiliar route without help, that would give you 10 points, and qualify you for PIP Lower Rate Mobility, but wouldn't give you a car. To get the full 12 points on that question, you need to be unable to follow a familiar route without help.

I don’t care if they individually fund the difference in the deposit.

They get a much, much lower (and to them, free!) lease. They get insurance, repairs and maintenance paid for. All things ordinary working people don’t get. I work full time and can’t afford any car. Let alone a Mercedes or BMW. If I were to post and say that on here I would be destroyed. I have been destroyed. I’ve been told that I’m a leach and a parasite for living at home as an adult. Yet people who get luxury cars vis the taxpayer are fine? Makes sense

You are missing the point.
As with any benefits, there will always be people who abuse and misuse the system

Thats not the way it works 🙄
My son transfers to PIP next year ,he cant follow or plan a route becsuse he ,s severely autistic, with aevere learning disabilities and totally non verbal
Cognitively hes around 2/ 3 and has tons of very clear evidence
Honestly its insulting people think they csn just say they can't do something and get HRM

and if you need a wheelchair accessible vehicle which is absolutely not a luxury, you have no choice but to pay a hefty advanced payment. Sometimes just as expensive as a luxury car.

I think you've misinterpreted my post; sorry. I am in support of Motability and PIP. I use higher rate PIP to include DLA because I am not a benefits expert, and I used PIP as a shortcut for higher rate PIP in that post. Perhaps if you'd read the whole thread and all my posts you'd have seen that I am a huge advocate for the system!!

I simply set out how one could modify it to reduce the cost in a more coherent way than just 'wail wail wail luxury cars wail wail' There are only 2 levers - higher rate PIP / DLA eligibility criteria and VAT exemption. I made, and make, no judgement on either being suitable. But they are both more coherent arguments than 'I can't afford a BMW so no one should have a BMW'!!

This. There is a large upfront payment of many thousands and you have to give it back after a few years.

Plus have you seen the threads where someone’s colleague needs reasonable adjustments, that’s another ‘it’s not fair’ situation

How do you currently get to work without a car?

You post is incredibly ignorant.

My mam was a full time worker (and all the overtime, gave her bloody life to work) who worked her ass off to a very high position from absoloutely nothing. She then got sick as the result of others actions (through no fault of her own, as priven by long investigations) and received a huge workers comp and insurance payouts based on her past work records, promotions and work ethic that would serve to replace the remaining life time of work that she could no long do due to complete loss of mobility.

Her specially built 'luxury' motability car was bought entirely with HER pay out, nothing to do with 'benefits' or 'not working' at all.

Motability aren't buying people free luxuary cars, anyone that thinks that must be hard of critical thinking. Just because someone is disabled it doesn't mean they are poor or unemployed. Motability is a tax exemption for those who need cars for mobility because they have a disability of mobility (thus equivilent to you being able to walk for free). The cars however are bought by the owner of the car.

For people saying a 'fancy car is a luxury', you are aware very few car companies build special ability cars. You can't just go buy any cheap car and magically make them disabled accessible, they are custom built from scratch and mostly only expensive companies offered that service. People aren't driving this expensive bricks as a flex, its not a Mustang or Aston Martin DB9, it has the sex appeal and speed of a nokia 3310 ffs if it wasn't for the 'luxury' name badge you would would think nothing of them other than boxy van like people carrier.

Yes and those who want a Mercedes are paying £7000 for it.

Those who want a Citreon are paying £700.

People are paying for what they get in advanced payments.

Then paying for any adaptions to the vehicle which they need because of their disability.

How hard is it to understand?

They're not that "huge" when compared to lease deals available in the open market.

The thing is, people don’t want to admit it openly, but there is a huge hatred of disabled people being able to have anything other than the bare essentials for survival. I saw a comment elsewhere on social media where someone said he didn’t know why disabled people needed to be out and about in the evening, using disabled bays, as they have all the time in the world to do things during the day 😳 - talk about utter ignorance. I don’t even know where to begin with that one.

Then you have people absolutely tearing apart disabled influencers on Tattle (absolutely dire place), moaning that their money is going to funding people “living with their Mum, spending their PIP on toys” to that effect.

It’s like people who are disabled are not allowed to have any joy in their lives whatsoever. It is absolutely vile and the Motability hate is part of that. What has happened to us that we’ve all become so angry with each other?

“Currently being the key word. The point still stands. With exceptions, all other vehicles should fall it the mid tier IMO.

I haven’t claimed that disabled people are a homogenous group.

But it’s not a straw man to highlight the wider financial context for the able-bodied, given some of the comments aimed at them. Pointing out that many working households are struggling isn’t misrepresenting anyone’s argument; it’s acknowledging the reality that shapes how people view optional top-ups for premium brands.

And for the record, show me where I said disabled people shouldn’t receive benefits or that the Motability scheme shouldn’t exist. Where have I objecting to adaptations? I didn’t/ I haven't.

Don't let the truth get in the way though.

Too little too late. And now more money for those who won't limit their families to the size of their budget. So the rest of us need to shell out to subsidise them. Sorry I ever voted Labour. Might have guessed it would be the same old.

Why? If the government and tax payer aren’t paying for the upgrade why shouldn’t the individual be able to do so if they wish? Is it because disabled people don’t deserve nice things?

People aren't missing the point. People were paying extra for those cars.

It's like when my son was younger and he wanted Nike trainers. I said, no, I'll pay for a cheaper brand. If you want the Nike ones, you pay the extra. So for example if the standard ones were £50 and the Nike ones £80, he had to find the £30 from his birthday money or whatever.

It's the same with Motability - there are the more basic cars, but if you want a more expensive one you effectively pay the difference. I can't see the issue, it doesn't cost the state any more.

Genuine question- would you rather be disabled?

But part of that is because of the ongoing incorrect perception that disabled people all claim benefits/don't work. As seen by some of the posts on here. It's all part of the same problem of seeing everything as a binary

And part of it because if you do work in a low paid job and don't get benefits you often have a far worse standard of living than those not working and claiming benefits and that is of course going to breed huge resentment

But maybe it would help people if they understood many disabled people don't get any benefits and may even be higher rate tax payers

Or have a disabled child?

It's funny that no one seems to ever answer that question on these threads.

I've been really hoping that this is just a rumour. How on earth can we afford it. And why should we afford it, nobody needs more than two children.

Genuine question,.how do you know the poster isn't disabled?

I have a motion kitty cat, if I wa mm yes one of the ‘luxury’ cars then I have to pay more for it. You can get a basic car for nothing up front or if I want a luxury car then I might have to pay as much as £6k upfront. It’s clear you don’t understand anything about motability to make this post

And if you lease a car from work, you do get all that, and at a heavily tax-subsidised rate. Admittedly it has to be an electric car or plug-in hybrid, but still. The offer is there (if your employer operates such a scheme - if they don't, ask them to).

Well maybe @AutumnLeavesandKnittedJumpers can enlighten us with some facts rather than opinions ?