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WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 05/11/2025 08:17

Nat172 · 05/11/2025 08:15

Immigrants vote for immigrants. The vast majority of those born in NYC didn’t vote for him. The vast majority of those who arrived in the last 5 years did.

It’s the same with London and other large immigrant cities. I don’t think it reflects much on the wider national voter base.

I do however feel sorry for the Jewish population in NYC.

The Jewish population overwhelmingly endorsed him and voted for him…

Notonthestairs · 05/11/2025 08:17

Nat172 · 05/11/2025 08:15

Immigrants vote for immigrants. The vast majority of those born in NYC didn’t vote for him. The vast majority of those who arrived in the last 5 years did.

It’s the same with London and other large immigrant cities. I don’t think it reflects much on the wider national voter base.

I do however feel sorry for the Jewish population in NYC.

Can you show me the figures for how people born in NYC voted?
I’ve only skim read the news.

Slinky987 · 05/11/2025 08:20

StrongLikeMamma · 05/11/2025 08:00

Exactly! Love our Mayor 💛

The right wing racists in the shires can seriously jog on. Nobody wants to hear their small minded bollox.

C'mon now, there's no need for the 'right wing racists in the shires' rhetoric. I've met quite a few right wing racists in London, many of them driving black cabs.

It's very devisive language, and also makes you look a little parochial, just London-centric parochial, which is no better than the small-minded shire-folk you so deride.

EmpressoftheMundane · 05/11/2025 08:22

I think this could be bad news for the Democrats. The country is no where near as left leaning as NYC. He will do a few interesting things and Republicans around the country will paint him as a bogeyman. And the Dems will have to fight not to be portrayed as communists.

MissAnthr0pe · 05/11/2025 08:26

Wonderful news! As a Londoner who voted for Khan x 3, I hope he'll soon warmly welcome Mamdani for a visit 🤗

Nat172 · 05/11/2025 08:28

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 05/11/2025 08:17

The Jewish population overwhelmingly endorsed him and voted for him…

That’s simply not true. The CNN exit poll showed a 30/70 split not the Jewish vote against Mamdani.

That should also be considered in the context of party support as typically Democrat candidates gain significant majority support from the Jewish people in NYC. For that to turn into a minority at this election suggests significant concern within the Jewish community.

Nocknick · 05/11/2025 08:28

EmpressoftheMundane · 05/11/2025 08:22

I think this could be bad news for the Democrats. The country is no where near as left leaning as NYC. He will do a few interesting things and Republicans around the country will paint him as a bogeyman. And the Dems will have to fight not to be portrayed as communists.

So what? The ones supporting Republicans are already firmly entrenched in their view that Democrats are radical leftists and communists - which is laughable.

All the while they are happy to espouse rhetoric and enact policies which are right leaning and impact the poorest while giving tax breaks to the richest. They don’t care about not looking too far right while ICE are literally body slamming people into the ground.

Why should democrats worry about the far right calling them communists when they’re just showing human decency? Democrats are meant to be progressive so they must come back to this.

Nocknick · 05/11/2025 08:33

Notonthestairs · 05/11/2025 08:17

Can you show me the figures for how people born in NYC voted?
I’ve only skim read the news.

Yeah I’d be interested to see this breakdown too. All my friends in NYC who were born there or born in nearby states voted for Mandani (except my ex who is very well off and voted for Cuomo) so I’m curious to see the figures on this.

ILikeDinosaurs · 05/11/2025 08:35

Very happy! I hope Trump explodes.

SeaAndStars · 05/11/2025 08:48

Brilliant. I bet Trump's fuming.

Nat172 · 05/11/2025 08:50

Nocknick · 05/11/2025 08:33

Yeah I’d be interested to see this breakdown too. All my friends in NYC who were born there or born in nearby states voted for Mandani (except my ex who is very well off and voted for Cuomo) so I’m curious to see the figures on this.

The polling just before the election showed Mandami had 30% support from US born residents in NYC whereas that rose to well over 60% for foreign born residents.

If you further split those groups the trend is even more stark. For example support from those who moved to the US in the last 5 years rises to nearly 80%.

PeonyPatch · 05/11/2025 09:23

lovely man, great recent speech.

charliehungerford · 05/11/2025 10:04

Unescorted · 05/11/2025 07:28

I think you will find outside the right wing froth of social media most people outside London are somewhere between who and indifferent about Khan.

Edited to spell his name right 🙄

Edited

I think a lot of the people in London are indifferent to Khan, 60% of those eligible to vote in 2024 didn’t even bother and fewer than half of those who did turn out voted for him so not exactly a massive endorsement.

LilyCanna · 05/11/2025 10:25

charliehungerford · 05/11/2025 10:04

I think a lot of the people in London are indifferent to Khan, 60% of those eligible to vote in 2024 didn’t even bother and fewer than half of those who did turn out voted for him so not exactly a massive endorsement.

Local council elections would generally be about 30-35% turnout so I don’t think that says more than that as a country we’re not very engaged with local politics.

EmpressoftheMundane · 05/11/2025 11:38

Nocknick · 05/11/2025 08:28

So what? The ones supporting Republicans are already firmly entrenched in their view that Democrats are radical leftists and communists - which is laughable.

All the while they are happy to espouse rhetoric and enact policies which are right leaning and impact the poorest while giving tax breaks to the richest. They don’t care about not looking too far right while ICE are literally body slamming people into the ground.

Why should democrats worry about the far right calling them communists when they’re just showing human decency? Democrats are meant to be progressive so they must come back to this.

Edited

The extremes of public opinion don’t hold power in the USA.

I understand your opinion. I am more pragmatic.

OldieButBaddie · 05/11/2025 11:43

LilyCanna · 05/11/2025 10:25

Local council elections would generally be about 30-35% turnout so I don’t think that says more than that as a country we’re not very engaged with local politics.

The people I know in London are not indifferent to him at all, but think he is a good Mayor doing a tough job. Racists can shout all they want, but he is our democratically elected Mayor for a reason!

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 05/11/2025 12:09

Lots of other good news from the polls yesterday.

Heather Cox Richardson’s summary…

“Democrat Abigail Spanberger won the governorship of Virginia by 15 points, becoming Virginia’s first female governor. Every single county in Virginia moved toward the Democrats, who appear to have picked up at least 12 seats in the Virginia House of Delegates. Democrat Mikie Sherrill won the governorship of New Jersey by more than ten points (the vote counts are still coming in as I write this).

Pennsylvania voted to retain three state supreme court justices, preserving a 5–2 liberal majority on the court. Democrats in Georgia flipped two statewide seats for public service commissioners by double digits. Mississippi broke the Republican supermajority in the state senate.

Maine voters rejected an attempt to restrict mail-in voting; Colorado voters chose to raise taxes on households with incomes over $300,000 to pay for meals for public school students.

California voters approved Proposition 50 by a margin of about 2 to 1, making it hard for Trump to maintain the vote was illegitimate.

And in New York City, voters elected Zohran Mamdani mayor.

Tonight, legal scholar John Pfaff wrote: “Every race. It’s basically been every race. Governors. Mayors. Long-held [Republican] dog-catchers. School boards. Water boards. Flipped a dungeon master in a rural Iowa D&D club. State senators. State reps. A janitor in Duluth. State justices. Three [Republican] Uber drivers. Just everything.”

Trump posted on social media: “‘TRUMP WASN’T ON THE BALLOT, AND SHUTDOWN, WERE THE TWO REASONS THAT REPUBLICANS LOST ELECTIONS TONIGHT,’ according to Pollsters.”

But in fact, today voters resoundingly rejected Trump and Trumpism, and tomorrow, politics will be a whole different game.”

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 05/11/2025 12:19

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 05/11/2025 12:09

Lots of other good news from the polls yesterday.

Heather Cox Richardson’s summary…

“Democrat Abigail Spanberger won the governorship of Virginia by 15 points, becoming Virginia’s first female governor. Every single county in Virginia moved toward the Democrats, who appear to have picked up at least 12 seats in the Virginia House of Delegates. Democrat Mikie Sherrill won the governorship of New Jersey by more than ten points (the vote counts are still coming in as I write this).

Pennsylvania voted to retain three state supreme court justices, preserving a 5–2 liberal majority on the court. Democrats in Georgia flipped two statewide seats for public service commissioners by double digits. Mississippi broke the Republican supermajority in the state senate.

Maine voters rejected an attempt to restrict mail-in voting; Colorado voters chose to raise taxes on households with incomes over $300,000 to pay for meals for public school students.

California voters approved Proposition 50 by a margin of about 2 to 1, making it hard for Trump to maintain the vote was illegitimate.

And in New York City, voters elected Zohran Mamdani mayor.

Tonight, legal scholar John Pfaff wrote: “Every race. It’s basically been every race. Governors. Mayors. Long-held [Republican] dog-catchers. School boards. Water boards. Flipped a dungeon master in a rural Iowa D&D club. State senators. State reps. A janitor in Duluth. State justices. Three [Republican] Uber drivers. Just everything.”

Trump posted on social media: “‘TRUMP WASN’T ON THE BALLOT, AND SHUTDOWN, WERE THE TWO REASONS THAT REPUBLICANS LOST ELECTIONS TONIGHT,’ according to Pollsters.”

But in fact, today voters resoundingly rejected Trump and Trumpism, and tomorrow, politics will be a whole different game.”

Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 05/11/2025 12:20

Nat172 · 05/11/2025 08:50

The polling just before the election showed Mandami had 30% support from US born residents in NYC whereas that rose to well over 60% for foreign born residents.

If you further split those groups the trend is even more stark. For example support from those who moved to the US in the last 5 years rises to nearly 80%.

So?

Simonjt · 05/11/2025 13:40

Nat172 · 05/11/2025 08:15

Immigrants vote for immigrants. The vast majority of those born in NYC didn’t vote for him. The vast majority of those who arrived in the last 5 years did.

It’s the same with London and other large immigrant cities. I don’t think it reflects much on the wider national voter base.

I do however feel sorry for the Jewish population in NYC.

Have you got the data for London with foreign v British mayors? I have had a look but can’t find how many immigrants voted for our most recent immigrant mayor Johnson v how many voted for our British mayor Khan.

charliehungerford · 05/11/2025 14:49

Simonjt · 05/11/2025 13:40

Have you got the data for London with foreign v British mayors? I have had a look but can’t find how many immigrants voted for our most recent immigrant mayor Johnson v how many voted for our British mayor Khan.

Boris Johnson May have had held dual US and British citizenship (he relinquished it a few years ago) but I don’t think you could class him as an “immigrant mayor”. He was born in New York due to his father studying there, but came to England when he was a few months old, then spent a few years back in the US where his father worked returning to the UK when he was five. Sadiq Khan is obviously not an immigrant as he was born here, two years after his parents came here as immigrants from Pakistan.

Simonjt · 05/11/2025 15:31

charliehungerford · 05/11/2025 14:49

Boris Johnson May have had held dual US and British citizenship (he relinquished it a few years ago) but I don’t think you could class him as an “immigrant mayor”. He was born in New York due to his father studying there, but came to England when he was a few months old, then spent a few years back in the US where his father worked returning to the UK when he was five. Sadiq Khan is obviously not an immigrant as he was born here, two years after his parents came here as immigrants from Pakistan.

An immigrant is someone who resides permanently in a country other than their birth country.

RedTagAlan · 05/11/2025 15:47

Nat172 · 05/11/2025 08:15

Immigrants vote for immigrants. The vast majority of those born in NYC didn’t vote for him. The vast majority of those who arrived in the last 5 years did.

It’s the same with London and other large immigrant cities. I don’t think it reflects much on the wider national voter base.

I do however feel sorry for the Jewish population in NYC.

How do you define immigrant ?

It's an interesting claim you make, and given that votes are confidential, I don't see where the data will come from to prove or disprove your claim.

As a Brit, I spent a fair bit of time in NY and I did consider doing the visa run thing to stay illegally for a while. That was about the same time Melania was doing that. It never panned out for me, but it did for her. I wonder how she would have voted. Or would you not class her as a migrant ?

I lived in London for a while, and voted there. British, but not born in London, so would you class me as a migrant in London?

Is someone from Ohio who moved to NY 4 years ago a migrant ?

Is Trump defined as a migrant in Florida, given that he was not born there, but now lives there?

In any case, a quick Bing, and an article from 2017 says Brooklyn has 48% native NY state born, Staten Island 69% State born, Bronx 50%, Queens 45%, Manhattan 42%..

Old data I know, not cherry picked, just first result that opens on my interweb.

Given those numbers, I am not sure if your claim can be true.

Brooklyn has more native New Yorkers than any other borough - Curbed NY

Brooklyn has more native New Yorkers than any other borough

Brooklyn is home to 1.3 million residents born in New York state.

https://ny.curbed.com/2017/9/27/16373802/native-new-yorker-brooklyn-most

RedTagAlan · 05/11/2025 16:22

In addition to the above, there is this quote:

"Years in the U.S. The vast majority of immigrants have been in the United States long enough to establish roots in their communities. Almost 89% of foreign born New Yorkers have been in the U.S. for more than five years. More than half have been in the country for more than twenty years. Whether they’ve been in the United States for three days or thirty years, immigrants are valued members of the New York City community"

That is from page 9 of this 2024 NY Mayors office of Immigrant Affairs official report.

MOIA-2024-Annual-Report4.4.25.pdf (nyc.gov)

So it seems the claim that " immigrants who arrived in the past 5 years blah blah " is pretty well debunked.

The exit poll data will be interesting when it is worked out.

I wonder if Trump and his gang will look at the data when it comes out ?

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/immigrants/downloads/pdf/MOIA-2024-Annual-Report_4.4.25.pdf

Pharazon · 05/11/2025 16:24

Simonjt · 05/11/2025 15:31

An immigrant is someone who resides permanently in a country other than their birth country.

Really? So the likes of Joanna Lumley, George Orwell, and countless military and diplomatic corps kids are immigrants?

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