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What can an individual do to keep Reform out?

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Thepoliticsofchaos · 09/10/2025 22:45

I have a young friend (a university student) who is getting depressed about the prospect of Reform getting in next election. He thinks that the UK is fucked, basically. He's left-leaning, I assume a Labour voter. I've advised him to get politically engaged (so that in the future he'll at least be able to feel that he did what he could). He's not the most outgoing of people, though is interested in politics. Can anyone suggest how he could become usefully politically engaged to try to reduce the Reform vote? Not just joining a party and turning up to meetings, but actually doing something?

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charliehungerford · 11/10/2025 10:29

LeavesRising · 10/10/2025 15:15

In what sense are the Greens "profoundly anti-science" (your claim, my emphasis). Which science, specifically, do you genuinely think the party is against?

I did hear a brief clip earlier where their leader, when asked if people are generally born male or female, he said no and that it’s more complicated than that. He also clearly stated that of course a woman can have a penis, doesn’t sound like science to me !

SarahB125 · 11/10/2025 10:44

I think he probably needs a reality check and understand that the majority of people are thinking what can they do to ensue they never have another Labour government ever again in their lifetime.

MaloryJones · 11/10/2025 11:04

PreciousTatas · 11/10/2025 06:45

Perhaps you could tell him that by being hyperbolic about Reform he may in fact be making things worse.

Very much like the boy who cried wolf, Reform have been called 'far right' and 'fascist' so much that when the big bad does inevitably come along people will be completely desensitised.

I am no fan of Reform (immigrant) but i am also not stupid. I can see exactly why they are getting in. It is not far right to have an immigration system and borders that actually work, pretending that it is is going to cost the UK dearly.

When you call people something for long enough, for perfectly central and reasonable views, they will eventually shrug their shoulders and assume those words mean nothing. Then when we cry those words out as a warning when it is real, no one will listen.

He could help by turning the heat down in politics and campaigning for the current government, who could actually do something about it, to do so.

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BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 11:10

SarahB125 · 11/10/2025 10:44

I think he probably needs a reality check and understand that the majority of people are thinking what can they do to ensue they never have another Labour government ever again in their lifetime.

The majority of people are doing no such thing. For every one of those there’s another who will vote for whichever candidate has the best chance of beating Reform.

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 11:13

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 11:10

The majority of people are doing no such thing. For every one of those there’s another who will vote for whichever candidate has the best chance of beating Reform.

Based on Labour's approval ratings, polling figures and bi-election results it's clear that the majority are voting against Labour.

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 11:15

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 11:13

Based on Labour's approval ratings, polling figures and bi-election results it's clear that the majority are voting against Labour.

Now. As I keep reminding you, almost four years is a very long time in politics. There will be tactical voting on steroids in 2029.

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 11:20

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 11:15

Now. As I keep reminding you, almost four years is a very long time in politics. There will be tactical voting on steroids in 2029.

You used present tense "The majority of people are doing no such thing". You're blatantly wrong as all the metrics I mentioned above shows. At the moment, the majority of people are voting against Labour. I realise you find this hard to get your head around though.

I'm not an imbecile so I'm fully aware of when the next election is but the acclaimed conference speech did nothing to improve ratings and Digital ID is being opposed by the majority. If they keep going down that road then they won't win any supporters back.

Timeforabitofpeace · 11/10/2025 11:20

Everyone writing about Reform say that it’s for a friend 😂 I’m not disbelieving you, but it is funny.

Leavesfalling · 11/10/2025 11:34

Timeforabitofpeace · 11/10/2025 11:20

Everyone writing about Reform say that it’s for a friend 😂 I’m not disbelieving you, but it is funny.

I don't think people are embarrassed about intending to vote for Reform these days? The polls show they are in very good company.

It might be more that many people don't trust people on the left to restrain themselves and not blurt out the usual Tourettes (apologies, John) vomit of "reform racist nazi far right". Far easier to just smile along and pretend they agree. And then vote against everything the left stands for in the privacy of the voting booth.

Leavesfalling · 11/10/2025 11:35

ILikeDinosaurs · 11/10/2025 05:27

You just don't have an answer to my points, that's all.

They aren't really points.

QuantumLeek · 11/10/2025 11:37

Work out which party is the biggest threat to Reform in his constituency and volunteer for them- door knocks, leafleting etc. Reform’s weakness is that they don’t have the established local networks that the more established parties have and that can make a big difference.

Timeforabitofpeace · 11/10/2025 11:40

@Leavesfalling repent at leisure!

Leavesfalling · 11/10/2025 11:41

QuantumLeek · 11/10/2025 11:37

Work out which party is the biggest threat to Reform in his constituency and volunteer for them- door knocks, leafleting etc. Reform’s weakness is that they don’t have the established local networks that the more established parties have and that can make a big difference.

That's rather a sad start for a young boy though? What does he actually believe in positively? What if the party that is the biggest threat to Reform is the Conservatives I thought he was left wing.

Not a great believer in tactical voting, personally. Even if it would keep Labour out.

BlissfullyBlue · 11/10/2025 11:49

Encourage centre and left wing parties to address the concerns of a huge part of the population, rather than calling them racist and transphobic. You’re never going to get in if you demonise and alienate the majority. Just maths.

EasternStandard · 11/10/2025 11:50

Timeforabitofpeace · 11/10/2025 11:20

Everyone writing about Reform say that it’s for a friend 😂 I’m not disbelieving you, but it is funny.

The op used it for the friend in her op and Labour.

EasternStandard · 11/10/2025 11:51

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 11:20

You used present tense "The majority of people are doing no such thing". You're blatantly wrong as all the metrics I mentioned above shows. At the moment, the majority of people are voting against Labour. I realise you find this hard to get your head around though.

I'm not an imbecile so I'm fully aware of when the next election is but the acclaimed conference speech did nothing to improve ratings and Digital ID is being opposed by the majority. If they keep going down that road then they won't win any supporters back.

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Probably not.

Leavesfalling · 11/10/2025 12:29

Timeforabitofpeace · 11/10/2025 11:40

@Leavesfalling repent at leisure!

So say everyone who voted Labour apart from a few hardliners! 😆

AutumnFoxe · 11/10/2025 12:34

He should probably learn what democracy is and not get depressed because he cant get his own way because his opinion isnt the only one that matters.

RedRiverShore5 · 11/10/2025 13:14

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 11:15

Now. As I keep reminding you, almost four years is a very long time in politics. There will be tactical voting on steroids in 2029.

Certainly will, get Labour out

BIossomtoes · 11/10/2025 14:23

RedRiverShore5 · 11/10/2025 13:14

Certainly will, get Labour out

And just as much to keep Reform out. Christ I’d even hold my nose and vote Tory if that was what it took.

PandoraSocks · 11/10/2025 15:57

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 11:13

Based on Labour's approval ratings, polling figures and bi-election results it's clear that the majority are voting against Labour.

Polls are a snapshot in time. Even the pollsters make that clear. Read the caveats. Voting patterns, how votes are distributed and who stands or doesn't stand where will have an impact.

I agree also with @BIossomtoes , there will be a massive tactical voting campaign against Reform and similarly I would vote Tory (🤮) to keep Farage put of no.10. I think we will possibly have a hung Parliament in 2029. Unless Labour can get its act together and win back voters.

PandoraSocks · 11/10/2025 16:12

Re: by-elections. All the recent by-elections bar one, which Reform won by the skin of its teeth, have been council by-elections which are by their nature a very different beast to Westminster elections.

There was the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election, which was a Labour gain for the Scottish Parliament. Reform came third.

Another test will be the Senedd election in Caerphilly. Still not a Westminster election, but a better weather-vane than council by-elections IMHO.

Yes, I know the usual lot will say I'm deluded etc., but the thought of a Farage government scares me. It could break up some of my friends and family who are married to people with ILTR.

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 16:15

PandoraSocks · 11/10/2025 16:12

Re: by-elections. All the recent by-elections bar one, which Reform won by the skin of its teeth, have been council by-elections which are by their nature a very different beast to Westminster elections.

There was the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse by-election, which was a Labour gain for the Scottish Parliament. Reform came third.

Another test will be the Senedd election in Caerphilly. Still not a Westminster election, but a better weather-vane than council by-elections IMHO.

Yes, I know the usual lot will say I'm deluded etc., but the thought of a Farage government scares me. It could break up some of my friends and family who are married to people with ILTR.

Well Labour are currently scaring many of us NOW!

PandoraSocks · 11/10/2025 16:19

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 16:15

Well Labour are currently scaring many of us NOW!

Well I am sorry you're scared. I don't want anyone to be scared. It is not a nice feeling.

twistyizzy · 11/10/2025 16:35

PandoraSocks · 11/10/2025 16:19

Well I am sorry you're scared. I don't want anyone to be scared. It is not a nice feeling.

A lot of people are as a direct result of Labour's actions so far plus what's yet to come inc digital ID.
You can be as patronising as you like but surely you're not that disengaged from public feeling at the moment? Or, maybe you are.