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What can an individual do to keep Reform out?

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Thepoliticsofchaos · 09/10/2025 22:45

I have a young friend (a university student) who is getting depressed about the prospect of Reform getting in next election. He thinks that the UK is fucked, basically. He's left-leaning, I assume a Labour voter. I've advised him to get politically engaged (so that in the future he'll at least be able to feel that he did what he could). He's not the most outgoing of people, though is interested in politics. Can anyone suggest how he could become usefully politically engaged to try to reduce the Reform vote? Not just joining a party and turning up to meetings, but actually doing something?

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Thepoliticsofchaos · 10/10/2025 15:11

ILikeDinosaurs · 10/10/2025 14:46

Join the Green party. They seem to be the only ones calling out Reform on their bs and calling a fascist a fascist. Like their leader did on BBCQT last night. Greens are the biggest party in London right now.

He can't join the Green Party, because he's gender critical. The Greens have said that gender critical people shouldn't join. If he joins any party, it'll be Labour.

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Ddakji · 10/10/2025 15:12

ILikeDinosaurs · 10/10/2025 14:46

Join the Green party. They seem to be the only ones calling out Reform on their bs and calling a fascist a fascist. Like their leader did on BBCQT last night. Greens are the biggest party in London right now.

Pity they are also profoundly anti-science and anti-woman. London doesn’t need either of those things, thanks all the same.

Ddakji · 10/10/2025 15:12

Thepoliticsofchaos · 10/10/2025 15:11

He can't join the Green Party, because he's gender critical. The Greens have said that gender critical people shouldn't join. If he joins any party, it'll be Labour.

Good lad.

LeavesRising · 10/10/2025 15:15

Ddakji · 10/10/2025 15:12

Pity they are also profoundly anti-science and anti-woman. London doesn’t need either of those things, thanks all the same.

In what sense are the Greens "profoundly anti-science" (your claim, my emphasis). Which science, specifically, do you genuinely think the party is against?

Cardomomle · 10/10/2025 15:19

He sounds a bit passive, but he can join the Labour Party and do support in various forms, as pp have said eg leafleting etc.

Dolphinnoises · 10/10/2025 15:20

He can get on X and factcheck. An incredible number of people are pickling in misinformation on there.

He can talk to people and tell them his concerns. Point out the Reform councils where they promised to slash waste and bills and are now putting up taxes by the maximum amount. Not “let it slide” when people say stupid things like Labour are destroying the economy. Have stats on eg NHS waiting times to hand to show things are slowly improving.

Cardomomle · 10/10/2025 15:20

Ddakji · 10/10/2025 15:12

Pity they are also profoundly anti-science and anti-woman. London doesn’t need either of those things, thanks all the same.

The Greens used to have my vote, then I heard Zack Polanski speak. I feel very frustrated and feel politically homeless now 😕

Cardomomle · 10/10/2025 15:21

Dolphinnoises · 10/10/2025 15:20

He can get on X and factcheck. An incredible number of people are pickling in misinformation on there.

He can talk to people and tell them his concerns. Point out the Reform councils where they promised to slash waste and bills and are now putting up taxes by the maximum amount. Not “let it slide” when people say stupid things like Labour are destroying the economy. Have stats on eg NHS waiting times to hand to show things are slowly improving.

Yes, that's good advice. There's so much fake news out there, and incorrect information.

Ddakji · 10/10/2025 15:22

LeavesRising · 10/10/2025 15:15

In what sense are the Greens "profoundly anti-science" (your claim, my emphasis). Which science, specifically, do you genuinely think the party is against?

The science that a man can’t become a woman. I mean, if you’ll swallow that load of nonsense, it casts rather a huge doubt on the veracity and scientific backing of anything you have to say.

ACynicalDad · 10/10/2025 15:27

The route to keeping reform out is for labour to stop the boat then what is the purpose of reform? Some will still vote for them but many many less. It’s also the conservatives best hope, if labour stop the votes and screw the economy that’s probably their best starting point. What can we do? Probably not obstructing stopping the boat and letting them get on with it even if we find unpalatable.

Absentosaur · 10/10/2025 15:28

Thepoliticsofchaos · 09/10/2025 22:45

I have a young friend (a university student) who is getting depressed about the prospect of Reform getting in next election. He thinks that the UK is fucked, basically. He's left-leaning, I assume a Labour voter. I've advised him to get politically engaged (so that in the future he'll at least be able to feel that he did what he could). He's not the most outgoing of people, though is interested in politics. Can anyone suggest how he could become usefully politically engaged to try to reduce the Reform vote? Not just joining a party and turning up to meetings, but actually doing something?

I think people need to understand Why the ‘far right’ are becoming more popular. What is happening? Why is it happening. The root cause - is wealth inequality.

Your young pal (and anyone who wants to be more informed), should start watching Gary’s Economics videos on You Tube.

They’ll change his outlook and help him understand why we are where we are, and what can be done about it.

Hint: Neither Labour nor the Tories are doing this / did this.

https://youtube.com/@garyseconomics?si=ihDclyrosxqmNJ-f

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/@garyseconomics?si=ihDclyrosxqmNJ-f

LeavesRising · 10/10/2025 15:29

Ddakji · 10/10/2025 15:22

The science that a man can’t become a woman. I mean, if you’ll swallow that load of nonsense, it casts rather a huge doubt on the veracity and scientific backing of anything you have to say.

So, as I suspected, not "profoundly anti-science" at all; more a case of one stance stated by one person which is not a universal belief of the party and does not appear in their manifesto but which does violently disagree with your particular beliefs.

You are barking at phantoms. Again.

Screamingabdabz · 10/10/2025 15:34

The way to get out of a political depression is to go out and serve.

Whether it’s volunteering at a night shelter or finding a vocation like teaching or nursing etc. it’s only when he gets into the thick of it with the disadvantaged and puts his social activist passion to good use that it’ll feel meaningful. And will be meaningful!

It’s pointless getting depressed about Reform. They’ll win the next election on a landslide if things don’t change quickly. The masses have been building up to Farage in number 10 since Brexit. If your mate can restore prosperity and jobs to the depressed and depleted shitholes of the country, fine. But if not, he'd be better off getting out of his funk and doing something positive for others.

Ddakji · 10/10/2025 16:05

LeavesRising · 10/10/2025 15:29

So, as I suspected, not "profoundly anti-science" at all; more a case of one stance stated by one person which is not a universal belief of the party and does not appear in their manifesto but which does violently disagree with your particular beliefs.

You are barking at phantoms. Again.

Given that the Greens have in just the last week banned a gender critical women’s group of Green women from their conference, I would say it isn’t the view of just one man. Previously they were taken to court by their deputy leader over this issue as well. And then, of course, there’s the Challenors.

I’d say that this anti-science, misogynistic, homophobic ideology is pretty well embedded in the Green Party.

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 16:06

LeavesRising · 10/10/2025 15:15

In what sense are the Greens "profoundly anti-science" (your claim, my emphasis). Which science, specifically, do you genuinely think the party is against?

By claiming women can have a penis?
They are fuck all to do with the environment now. All they bang on about is trans rights and Palestine/Gaza

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 16:07

LeavesRising · 10/10/2025 15:29

So, as I suspected, not "profoundly anti-science" at all; more a case of one stance stated by one person which is not a universal belief of the party and does not appear in their manifesto but which does violently disagree with your particular beliefs.

You are barking at phantoms. Again.

PP isnt barking at phantoms and you need to update your knowledge of what they are actually saying

Cardomomle · 10/10/2025 16:13

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 16:06

By claiming women can have a penis?
They are fuck all to do with the environment now. All they bang on about is trans rights and Palestine/Gaza

I agree, I was disappointed that environmental issues seemed to be lower in their priorities than Palestine and immigration.

AgnesMcDoo · 10/10/2025 16:15

Join the party most likely to beat reform locally and get involved in campaigns

earphoneson · 10/10/2025 16:23

SeagullSam2027 · 10/10/2025 14:53

More positivity about what Labour have already achieved and what they are planning to do next is what people need to be talking about to turn the tide.

There's literally nothing to be positive about with the Labour government. The recent conference highlighted just how woefully inept they are. The first thing we should be focusing on is removing Starmer then getting them out of power at the earliest opportunity. That's where I'm concentrating my efforts.

Who do you want to see in government instead?

LeavesRising · 10/10/2025 16:25

Ddakji · 10/10/2025 16:05

Given that the Greens have in just the last week banned a gender critical women’s group of Green women from their conference, I would say it isn’t the view of just one man. Previously they were taken to court by their deputy leader over this issue as well. And then, of course, there’s the Challenors.

I’d say that this anti-science, misogynistic, homophobic ideology is pretty well embedded in the Green Party.

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What can an individual do to keep Reform out?
SeagullSam2027 · 10/10/2025 16:27

earphoneson · 10/10/2025 16:23

Who do you want to see in government instead?

I'll make my decision based on the policies once an election has been called. Getting rid of the current buffoon is my key priority.

Leavesfalling · 10/10/2025 16:43

LeavesRising · 10/10/2025 14:39

Quite right. As is openly calling out policies, behaviour, or ideologies in parties other than those you support, or fact-checking them, or pressing their representatives to provide solid, factual information of how some of their promises might be fulfilled.

The essence of a functional democratic state is informed choice. That cannot be achieved if you solely consume information (or, dare I say it, propaganda) from a single party.

As long as he can resist trying to ram his political views down people's necks and refrain from insulting the morals and intelligence of those that disagree with him. The old fashioned sense of "civility". We seem to have lost that these days.

SatsumaDog · 10/10/2025 16:57

Leavesfalling · 10/10/2025 09:54

He can use his own vote. And leave others to decide how to use theirs. That's democracy.

This

ILikeDinosaurs · 10/10/2025 16:58

Ddakji · 10/10/2025 15:12

Pity they are also profoundly anti-science and anti-woman. London doesn’t need either of those things, thanks all the same.

London needs a party that is not afraid of standing up to the fascists. Thanks.

Leavesfalling · 10/10/2025 16:59

ILikeDinosaurs · 10/10/2025 16:58

London needs a party that is not afraid of standing up to the fascists. Thanks.

To the Islamists? They are facists obviously.