What will life be like under Reform?

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I have accepted the likelihood of the next government being Reform. I don’t think the government after that will necessarily be Reform. But in the 4 Reform years, what do people think life will be like for the different groups in our country? Will we see very immediate changes?

As opposed to be trying to prevent animal cruelty?

Trail hunting doesn't involve animal cruelty. The trail is a scent artificially laid by a trail layer.

10,000 - 20,000 hounds will have to be put down if Labour go ahead with that policy.

Just because Labour hate seeing people they percieve as 'posh' class enemies enjoying riding out in the countryside on their own horses, with their own dogs, wearing smart clothes.

Vindictive. Nothing else.

If hunts had not been careless with their trails, wilfully or not, we wouldn't be here now. 46% of trail hunts in 2022/23 resulted in foxes or other animals being killed by hounds. Hunts have brought this on themselves.

Labour should not be wasting time on this niche, contested issue. They should be:
-controlling immigration
-getting the economy growing

Those are they key issues to the majority of voters. Stoking the culture wars is crass and jaded. It won’t help them.

This is why Labour’s traditional voters are turning to Reform.

Labour's traditional voters are turning to Reform?

Immigration is being controlled

Halal abattoirs are 3 times more likely than others to have poor inspections, with poor hygiene and animal welfare, and sometimes outright animal abuse.

Interestingly, the Jewish Kosher ones haven't had these issues - so it isn't the non-stun itself which is a problem, it's the implementation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/12dfeb381ad7b197

So what's the right approach? Ban all non-stun slaughter houses, regardless of the consequences to consumers?

Or enforce existing laws. Which are enough, if followed.

Same with trail hunting. Except that it's posh people on horses with smart coats. So baaaaannnn theemmm!!! Make them suffer.

The Left should be careful the behaviour they model. It is them who are taking us down the populist road of treating people you dislike badly, just for the sake of it, because you have power and you can. It's a really bad road to go down.

I find it really strange that the Left are so hysterical about a perceived fear of Reform maybe someday possibly acting this way in the future... when they themselves are doing exactly that so blatantly now.

As the old rhyme goes;

The chances are
You’ll be alright
If you are male
And posh and white

Also add anyone with money. I don’t like Reform but would they actually make my individual life worse? Unlikely. I’d probably pay less tax.

Quite what the rest of the country would be like is another matter

@fairyring25 Your so called left wing agenda, have you any examples or facts to back it up?

It sounds very project25, turning point, maga style.

Nonsense
There were smilar claims around fox hunting
If you think there is no animal cruelty or deliberate killing of various animal in Trail Hunting you are at best naive
I have never voted Labour in my life but I think that people who terrify and kill animals purely for fun are repulsive, dressing up to do it and seeing it as a fun day out is even worse

Britons living in rural areas support banning trail hunting by 50% to 35%

Most rural Britons say hunting has little to no importance to rural communities socially (51%) or economically (58%)

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53792-britons-support-trail-hunting-ban-by-50-to-29?

Interesting set of deflections there. You don't think a 46% lethality rate is unacceptable but veer straight into whataboutery.

We're not going to get an answer.

Whatever you think about Halal butchery or butchery of any kind nobody chases the animals around for possibly hours before enjoying them being torn to pieces.
I also don't see the link between this and Trail (disguised fox) hunting

It's another Telegraph link.

And more whinging about the Left and populism

Oh well, if more than 50% aren't terribly keen on something - and say it doesn't really affect them to ban it - then that's OK. Even if it's important to a minority. Who you don't like anyway.

You know that's a really dodgy precedent, right? To ignore the needs of a minority - because you dislike them - giving priority to the whim (rather than need) of the majority.

How many Muslims are there in the UK, who depend on non-stun abattoirs? About 6%

What percentage of the overall population 'don't really like' non-stun abattoirs - due to legitimate concerns about animal welfare - and would say they're not important to them?

What you reap, you sow. And as usual for vindictive Labour, that harms us all. This is not precedent you should be encouraging.

Non-stun abbatoirs are meant to follow animal welfare laws.Some of them don't.

Trail hunts are meant to follow animal welfare laws. Some of them don't.

In both cases, it is better to enforce existing law than to ban something which is important to a minority of your population 'just in case'.

Labour choosing not to do that for trail hunting out of vindictiveness is setting a dangerous precedent - of exactly the behaviour you are so afraid Reform might one day do. You are starting this vindictive populism. Not Reform.

You know that's a really dodgy precedent, right? To ignore the needs of a minority - because you dislike them - giving priority to the whim (rather than need) of the majority.

You might want to heed your own advice

Still deflecting into whataboutery about Muslims, how typical.

You do know two things can be true?

Yes, we need better inspection of all abattoir.

Yes, trail hunting kills wildlife and hunts are failing to prevent this.

The one off killing of hounds doesn't bother me that much if it is done humanely, and those who rely on hunting for jobs could get other jobs. Like the rest of us have to when we l9se a job. Why do they deserve special protection?

No, not chasing them around. Just removing their limbs when they're still alive (and not stunned, remember), kicking and throwing them around. Not enjoying them being torn to pieces? More evidence of that in the abatoir, with footage of them mocking the animals before slaughtering them.

I gave the link because it names slaughter houses and offences recorded there.

What evidence do you have?

Why do you think I am a labour supporter?
I support the ban on fox (trail) hunting because its a disgusting past time, not due to any hatred of rich people, posh people and people who live in the country (I could be said to be at least 2 of those things)

Labour are banning it out of vindictiveness. You can judge your own motives - people have many.

My point is exactly that this same tolerance should be applied in both situations. 🙄

That the law should be applied in both situations. Not added to vindictively in either.

It's only Labour who vindictively punish people they don't like. No one else.

Agree and i think @strawberrybubblegum should look to the numbers of hounds shot by the hunt aswell just because they can’t run fast enough. Including ones under one year old

Theres a reason the max age of hounds in a pack is 6years ( when they can live to 14)

Shooting dogs for this reason is illegal
Countryside Alliance admit to 3000 foxhounds illegaly shot every year. The figure is believed to be much higher than they will admit to…

Heres just one hunt caught

Starmer et al told you that did they?

Where have they increased SEND provision? I can't find any results by googling and would like to look that up. Thanks!