What will life be like under Reform?

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I have accepted the likelihood of the next government being Reform. I don’t think the government after that will necessarily be Reform. But in the 4 Reform years, what do people think life will be like for the different groups in our country? Will we see very immediate changes?

Well, yes - I'm pretty open about my politics. I think it's good for Lefties to see opinions outside their echo chamber 😂

...and your echo chamber?

You go on about damage to the UK but you supported the Tories throughout their 14year tenure.

Totally ignoring what they did, it was all ok for you as debt almost doubled, Brexit, Boris, Truss... Fraud, HS2, massive increases in immigration, defence cuts, despite Putin.

Yet Farage is the answer, you re clearly taken by Reform.

They won't win. If they did it would be like the early years of Nazi Germany. And that's not an exaggeration.

O.M.G

I rest my case.

My echo chamber? I'm on this thread - with all the Leftie nonsense - by choice.

I'm not taken by Reform. I don't like their populism and I don't think their policies are well thought through. Much like Labour, really.

But come on, this hysteria is clearly unwarranted.

What Hysteria?

I'm not even a "leftie" whatever that childish slur is supposed to mean, i will take any party that has good and workable ideas but it isn't the Tories.

Final straw was Badenoch saying that misogyny in young men doesn't exist and we need more Police... FFS is she utterly blind to the hold Andrew Tate and others have on boys???
Or is it more a case of saying what she thinks will go down well with her base?

We have had 14 years of the right wing Tory experiment, can you name a single thing that has improved since 2010?

Sure they had Covid and Ukraine but that was after 10years and everything was worse by 2020.

They mismanaged Covid, failed to up defence spend after the Ukraine invasion (unforgivably cutting it) wrecked our relations with Europe and now we are the final destination for migrants.

What hysteria?!?

A few posts up: "If they did it would be like the early years of Nazi Germany. And that's not an exaggeration."

Hysteria? Leftie nonsense? No wonder nobody will engage.

Watching Labour choices, I am grateful it was the Conservatives who steered us through the crash, Brexit, Covid, and the start of the war in Ukraine.

If a serious external shock comes, I have little faith in this lot.

I think anyone who uses the word 'Leftie' without any nuance and thinks the current government is left wing does not merit serious attention.

There are complex reasons for why the UK is where it is. Some are down to the last Labour government, very many are not. Finding solutions will be difficult. Nuanced thinking is needed. Unfettered capitalism is definitely not the answer.

Labour steered us through the Global Financial Crash, it happened in 2008.

Brexit? you re having a laugh! they caused that disaster and then gave us a shit UK/EU deal.

Covid? "Let bodies pile high" and they did.

Ukraine? carried on cutting defence right through the war, went into the GE promising to slash troop numbers by 23,000

Someone upthread said to me "Condoning <something bad> makes a person complicit."

I don't condone the Left wing destruction of the UK. I won't 'play nice'. It's wrong and I'll say so.

The Left are very aggressive when 'calling out' things they think are wrong - you just don't notice because you agree with them. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Nobody’s asking you to play nice. Politeness costs nothing.

So after 14years, you cannot name a single think the Tories improved for the UK.

Rather telling.

But lets move on "Left wing destruction of the UK" such as?

The 'right have been in power for the majority of the post war period, by some margin too.

As I said - the current government, by any metric you can think of, is not left wing. It's slightly to the left of centre, that's all. Seeing this as a massive commie threat because you're very right wing yourself is delusional.

And the pp you mentioned, @strawberrybubblegum , was me. Because you condoned the thing Chris Parry said about David Lammy and other non white people. I called those things racist and I stand by that. You condoned them. Condoning racism is being complicit in racism. If that is uncomfortable for you to think about, perhaps you need to reconsider your stance on this particular man and his revolting racist utterances.

49 years of Tory rule, 29 Labour. 🤷‍♀️

The right doesn't like to take responsibility for the things it does...

Navigating us through challenging times is enough. A government isn't meant to be revolutionary - they are tasked with managing the country competently day-to-day on our behalf.

And you're right: Labour are rarely in power. This time, in 18 months, they've destroyed SMEs, driven farmers to suicide, are destroying our energy sector, driven up unemployment (20% youth unemployment, and graduate jobs halved since they came into power) and are about to take us into recession.

And none of this is due to external challenges. It's all directly caused by their own policies.

AI has cost graduate jobs not the government.

And we were in recession in 2023.

You know what really destroyed SMEs? Brexit. Remind me who did that?

UK youth unemployment isn't 20%.
Your figures on graduate jobs come from one report, enthusiastically spouted by that bastion of impartial journalism, the Telegraph. Other data says different things, including growth in graduate employment in some sectors.

Spouting distortions and untruths doesn't work on MN because you will be fact checked.

Destroyed SMEs? now thats hysteria! vast majority are doing very and business confidence is UP.

https://www.lloydsbank.com/business/resource-centre/insight/business-barometer.html

Farming has always had high suicide rates and how can the IHT changes which have never happened, be blamed for suicides?

Its actually quite nasty to blame such tragedies on this Govt, suicide is highly complex, with never a single reason, you should really think before making such claims, with zero evidence.

Unemployment and lack of graduate jobs have been on an upward trend since 2022.... i note you made no mention of this in 2023/24 when Sunak gave us a recession (Q3 and Q4) in 2023.

They had 10 years pre Covid and Ukraine.... what did they improve? still no answers.....

External challenges? so no war in Ukraine? no Trump Tariffs? no global slowdowns..... or uncertainties..... and no bias on your part 😂

Labour have made some bad policy decisions. So have the conservatives.
It is possible to both criticise and support some Labour, conservative and reform policies if they are good without being so polarised.
I support Labour in trying to improve equality but I just think they have made some bad decisions. Increasing employer NI is just bad for SMEs as is increasing the minimum wage.
I support conservatives and reform in trying to control immigration.

Leftie nonsense and hysteria 😅

Keep blowing those rightwing bubbles.

Reform has a problem with racism, why would anyone trust them on immigration?

Immigration is massively down this year. That's under Labour. But of course you will not give them any credit for that.

In a continued cost of living crisis, you can't stagnate the NMW. People need to be able to live. Not supporting this will increase social unrest.

I agree that Labour have made some bad decisions. They should have been bold and rolled back the Tories' last NI cut, which was a blatant political bribe. They should also be far bolder on moving closer to the EU, with a policy to rejoin the single market and customs union - that would be a massive boost to growth.