What will life be like under Reform?

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I have accepted the likelihood of the next government being Reform. I don’t think the government after that will necessarily be Reform. But in the 4 Reform years, what do people think life will be like for the different groups in our country? Will we see very immediate changes?

There’s no bad situation that can’t be made worse. That is reform.

Just like what @Echobelly wrote. Embarrassing and stupid at best. Horrifying at worst. The numbers are soft and I hope they change.

Oh and for those who questioned the idea that access to abortion could be under threat - Farage is throwing out signals that way because the Alliance Defending Freedom are paying him for it. If you thought that pressure groups buying policy was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

its years away , no one knows what will happen

When I say it won't be very different to Labour, I don't mean to downplay the damage Labour are already causing.

A second term of huge damage (Labour followed by Reform) is obviously very bad.

Better than life under the Greens

I just hope people will see what's going on with the disaster that is Trump in America and learn from it.

They might make some headway on reducing net immigration. Not sure whether they'll succeed, but at least they don't actually believe in open borders and giving away the UK like Labour do, so they'll at least try.

Immigration is down 50% on the previous year, and the really extreme spike that took it to that point happened under the Tory government, with the small boats problem that people are particularly concerned about being caused by Brexit, as championed by Farage and facilitated by the Tories.

But don't let the facts get in the way of a comfortable prejudice.

@AbsenceOfLoveIsJustAsBad I’m not sure whether you are just repeating myths or have relevant knowledge to back up your claim that PIP is fraudulently awarded for anxiety.

I’m assuming you mean anxiety as a primary diagnosis rather than in conjunction with physical disabilities, psychiatric conditions, learning disabilities, autism etc I’m also assuming that you are familiar with descriptors and the points awarded and requirement to provide evidence and undergo assessment.

So how do you think this fraud occurs? It’s not good enough to claim that individuals lie or exaggerate on initial claim forms. This may start the process but does not determine award.

Wrt disabling levels of anxiety it would be expected that primary health care would report on tried and failed interventions and document referral to secondary care, who would also be required to submit evidence. The disabling condition would have had to have shown no improvement in the 6 months prior to claiming and be expected to persist. Then there would be assessment by the DWP. Lots of legitimate claims are refused even following mandatory reconsideration only to be awarded at tribunal - most often because medical evidence has been disregarded by assessors lacking knowledge.

Why do you then believe that there is plenty of scope ‘for getting PIP for the likes of anxiety bollocks’? How?

You only have to look at the US to see what a Reform government would look like. A divided, scared, dysfunctional nation.
But I REFUSE to believe that a Reform govt. is an inevitability - I see that finally Nige & Co are being challenged for their ridiculous and extreme statements so Wake Up, Britain. Otherwise we'll get the govt we deserve.

@AbsenceOfLoveIsJustAsBad sorry to hear you had bad experiences. You are lucky that they didn’t prevent you from obtaining a degree and working but were a niggle that you could explore in retirement.

Unfortunately this has not resulted in being able to feel empathy. A bit like I was smacked and it did me no harm so smacking is OK. Maybe you need more therapy.

Then maybe you would understand that starving those with greater struggles than you faced (whether you think them deserving or not) will not help ‘the economy’ but will just cause suffering. You might find a political party that supports this cruelty but ultimately it is a you issue.

I am so happy to have left the country before I have to worry about this. It will be a night mare for do many people.

Legal migration has come down because of the visa changes Sunak introduced before Labour got into power. That drop is a start, but net migration is still about 4 times higher than it was at any point until 1995 so there's still quite a way to go for immigrants to integrate properly.

Illegal immigration continues to rise, with increasingly organised smuggling gangs and a rise in economic migration globally, which is why you see increases in EU countries too. So not Brexit. The Dublin agreement is a nonsense argument, since the numbers were small and Britain took more migrants under the agreement than we returned anyway (eg in 2016 the UK received 1,019 asylum seekers under the Dublin agreement but returned only 676). The only countries which have succeeded in reducing illegal immigration have done so using strict deportation and off-shore processing. Labour have made no attempts to reduce incentives, having cancelled the Rwanda scheme.

But don't let the facts get in the way of supercilious, holier-than-thou disdain.

The amount of brainwashed, deranged hysteria on this post is astonishing. Seems like Trump Derangement Syndrome has mutated into Farage Derangement Syndrome.

The idea a centre right government will come in and it warrants leaving the country really highlights worrying lack of intellect. The left think they’re so free thinking yet you all sound like sheep.

I think the country will either stay the same (shit) cause the civil service will block them on every move or it will improve after a few years.

You think the current government is left wing? 😂

You think Reform are centre right? 😂

The current government are still slightly to the right of Stalin. But let's see how that looks in 2 years time when we have full government digital monitoring of our lives, a decimated private sector and fines taxes to leave the country.

Reform are populist more than one wing or the other. They are anti-immigration, but apart from that very similar to Labour.

I sincerely hope we never find out 😭

We already have it under the shitshow that is Labour .

Any evidence to support that comment? Come on now, let’s not exaggerate

It’s not really , 2029 is little over 3 years away

I guess the OP is either a Labour or Liberal Democrat MP poohing their pants over what they see in the polls.

Whether Farage wins or not doesn’t matter. The fact that he is making other parties wake up to:

High energy costs due to pursuit of net zero even though the UK produces 1% of the world’s emissions. Until all countries come on board, it’s money down the drain and makes no difference to the world’s emissions.

Immigration is making the UK poorer.

Huge wastage in government departments.

Freezing the thresholds at which people pay tax hits the lowest earners the most.

I can’t see a thread on MN swinging how the electorate will vote in the next general election.

They're as likely to get in as the Green Party. Stop giving them your time

@SwordToFlamethrower

Stop giving them your time

Who I vote for will be decided by myself, not you or anyone else.

Every working person will be better off cos the first 20k won't be taxed. Facts don't care about our ideological distaste. I won't be voting for them but I won't be voting for a Labour who think its far right rhetoric to expect a working family to take home more than a non working family either. Reform or a Reform/Tory power share will get in next GE and the wet liberals will wring their hands and shout 'what have we become' as if they didn't treat anyone concerned about immigration for the last decade as a Nazi and expect us all to have a shit eating grin on our face about tax thresholds being frozen and pension ages being pushed up. They didn't see Brexit coming, they didn't see Trump coming and they wont see this coming til Farage gets the keys to number 10. The only kids I'm responsible for are my own. Kids are not housing or food. They're not a basic human right- you want a big family you pay for it yourself. Let's not pretend we're a country without safe free contraception. Those of us who've assessed our resources and cut our cloth accordingly shouldn't be paying for those who haven't.

@EnoughSaidEve your 'colourful' use of language aside, how do Reform think they are going to pay for that massive tax free uplift?

@EnoughSaidEve Every working person will be better off cos the first 20k won't be taxed.

So you think that the rate of income tax someone pays is the only factor that influences how well off they are?

And that cutting that rating of income tax doesn't have any implications that may also affect how well off they are - in terms of what the government is able to continue paying for?