Charlie Kirk's beliefs

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If You're Wondering What Charlie Kirk Believed In, Here Are 14 Real Quotes
In light of his death, Charlie Kirk's legacy is being remembered through these viral quotes.
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Is there evidence that passenger jets planes are being flown by Harvard students who have landed some planes in simulator trials and not completed actual flight training in real aircraft to become qualified pilots as he asserted?

Are we meant to assume that Harvard is also now dominated by black students (ha!) who are apparently also becoming passenger jets pilots without completing the relevant flying qualifications? Can you name one, please? That shouldn’t be difficult if this is a valid concern.

And allegedly, these black Harvard students who also then get pilot jobs without being qualified pilots are really thick and “stole” their jobs from white people. Baffling why Harvard accepted them if they are allegedly so stupid, or why they wouldn’t just use their Harvard degrees to go and get good jobs they are qualified to do rather than pretending to be pilots.

Is Harvard generally the place people go to study if they want to become pilots? I’m not aware of this being one of their training courses.

Your further quotes simply show more of the inane stupidity of Mr Kirk and his inability even to be consistent or plausible between the assertions he made a few seconds apart.

If the big concern is these black Harvard graduates who are allegedly becoming fake pilots and are flying passenger jets without a flying licence (the relevant qualification that Mr Kirk questioned whether black pilots have and which he believed to be sufficiently prevalent as a problem that it was justified to worry about your safety simply by observing a pilot’s skin colour) then that’s that’s a very strange phenomenon indeed and presumably would be very easy to establish with actual names and data given the vanishingly small number of black Harvard graduates who become airline pilots at all (can you name any? Let alone one who has somehow been allowed to become a pilot without a flying licence?).

If this is a prevalent issue why couldn’t Kirk provide any evidence for these assertions and why are you defending these racist comments if you can’t provide any evidence for them either?

This is getting somewhat tiresome.

So firstly no one should be an airline pilot or a lawyer or a doctor if they have not passed the necessary minimum level of qualification or training.

Charlie Kirk's quote was "If I see a Black pilot, I'm gonna be like, "Boy, I hope he's qualified."

If CK was saying that an airline pilot was allowed to fly a plane without any qualification at all because of DEI and simply because the person was black then that would both be factually incorrect and insane.

However if CK was saying that the airline in question had a DEI policy so that 50% of all pilots were of colour or female. Then it would be a legitimate concern to ask whether the airline had selected the best pilots based on merit and ability rather than skin colour or sex.

Your refusal to answer the simple question of whether someone's skin colour or sex should be a criteria in selecting the best people for the job as a pilot would seem to indicate that you do see this as a relevant selection criteria, which in turn is an indication of your racism and sexism.

Nope. You’ve not provided any explanation for it at all that indicates that it is anything other than the blatantly racist comment that everyone with a modicum of rationality can see it was. You are genuinely still trying to defend someone who said “prowling blacks”. It is quite unbelievable. One wonders whether you’d be prepared to state such a view in public under your actual name. I suspect not.

Is this being ironic now or are you serious?

I completely agree. So much disingenuity here. Also the irony of claiming to be a man who is pro-choice and ‘left-leaning’ spending hours online defending an established misogynist, racist bigot like Kirk. Again the cognitive dissonance is off the scale here. How can you claim to be pro-choice but endlessly defend, support and minimise a far rights activist who was in favour of forced abortions, including for rape victims and children? Utter rubbish. Contrarian nonsense.

So the England men's football team comprises of 56% men of colour whereas in the general population it is only 19%. Because there is no DEI policy in the selection of players then I believe that this ratio is simply because there are more and better football players of colour than there are white players (plus the fact that 11.6% of the UK black population regularly play a team sport compared to 6.4 % of the UK white population).

I'm happy that the England men's football team select based on merit and not skin colour. If a DEI policy insisted that 80% of players should be white then that would lead to less able players being selected.

Yet this is precisely what he said. Words have clearly defined meanings and that is what the words he said mean. Do you have a dictionary to hand? You can check the meaning of any words of which you’re unsure.

You’re correct that what he said is insane. Anybody saying such insane things repeatedly is clearly either a clinically insane person who is very mentally disturbed and deluded and likely to be suffering some form of psychosis, or a sociopath deliberately trying to stir up reactions from others for their own nefarious purposes (which, given the sociopathy involved would need to be at clinical levels for someone to do this, also means the person making the comments is likely clinically insane but just in a slightly different manner to someone suffering psychosis).

We can all see that Kirk did in fact say these things - as you admit - so what are we to conclude from this? Hmmmm…

Personally, I think the sociopath hypothesis better fits his behaviour. Sadly, I have had to deal with many diagnosed sociopaths in a professional context: Kirk would fit in with them perfectly.

You literally cannot admit to making a mistake can you? Twice you rudely accused me of avoiding watching it, and twice I told you i had and had posted on it, and now you breeze over that and just say my response to the video wasn't acceptable in some way.

What is your response that makes Kirk talking about “prowling blacks” an acceptable an non-racist comment, given the fact that there is a far higher association between sex and violent crime (98% of it committed by men) than between race and violence, so even if one was so deluded as to accept that this inflammatory terminology about “prowling” wasn’t racist, if Kirk had actually been concerned about the demographic profile of offenders he’d obviously have been focusing on the main predisposing demographic factor by far: being male. Not race. So why did he make this racist comment which doesn’t have anything to do with the primary demographic characteristic of most violent offenders? And why did he use this racist language of “prowling blacks”?

No, you haven’t “explained it”. Everyone’s still waiting.

What’s the relevance?

The comment under discussion isn’t about the percentage of people of different ethnicities in different professions.

The comment under discussion is Kirk’s expressed “concern” that black people are becoming fake pilots and allowed to fly commercial passenger jets without being qualified to do so.

Exactly. Utter nonsense, and these people seem to think we’re all thick enough to fall for it. Insulting to all posters and readers here.

LOL. Of course such irrational people advocating and defending child abuse, racism, homophobia and misogynism will accuse other people of being “hateful” for objecting to it, and now apparently we’re all “affected by dark forces” as well. I suppose Satan has possessed us, or something, because we dared to “eat the forbidden apple of knowledge” and use the rational capacity of our brains? Why did this omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient God you believe in give (some of us) brains that are capable of rational thought if he didn’t want us to use them? Another mystery.

Your gaslighting is evident for all to see and the people who have “dark” motives aren’t the posters defending the right of gay people to have a private life free of harassment, or black pilots to fly planes without people questioning whether they’re qualified to do so based on their skin colour, or black people to walk along the street without being accused of “prowling”, or women to have financial freedom or careers or education or sexual freedom and to say “no” to their husbands, or those who object to Mr Kirk’s wish to force ten year child rape victims to carry to term and give birth to the babies of their paedophile rapists.

If you want to look for “dark forces”, perhaps you should look within your own conscience.

Leaving aside that this is NOT what Mr Kirk said - which was that there are black pilots flying planes who are not qualified AT ALL and, therefore, inexplicably he believed that airlines are allowing unqualified pilots to fly passenger jets illegally because they have black skin - given you’re trying to pretend he actually said something else and that it was “just” that in his opinion black pilots are less capable than white pilots, where’s your evidence for this assertion that you’re attributing to him? Where’s the data showing black pilots are less capable and have worse safety records because they have, allegedly, been recruited only because of their skin colour and are therefore worse at their jobs?

Pilots are tested regularly. Where’s the data? Air crash data is published and analysed. Safety incidents that DON’T result in any harm are investigated and documented in detail. Statistics are analysed in detail. All of the data is published and publicly available. It is one of the most highly regulated industries in the entire world, for very obvious reasons. So one would think, if there was any credibility to your assertions that the black pilots are of inferior ability to the white ones, that there would be a large volume of evidence to demonstrate a higher number of safety incidents or crashes involving black pilots. Where is it?

Non-existent.

Regardless, Mr Kirk’s assertion was that that black pilots are being allowed to fly planes without the required qualifications to do so and therefore if he saw that the pilot of a plane was black he’d think “boy, I hope they’re qualified”. Clearly if one accepts that all people allowed to fly passenger jets are qualified to do so and it’s insane for him to have suggested otherwise this isn’t a valid concern and is simply a racist comment.

Are you going to provide any evidence that unqualified black pilots are flying passenger jets?

You are starting to come across as seriously unhinged and obsessive over this.

If Charlie did say in an official capacity that black men are being allowed to fly planes without having a pilot’s licence then it’s 100% obvious to every sane human being that he was saying it in jest in relation to the actual point he was making (about skin colour being used as a criteria for job selection), because every single person in the world KNOWS that a person cannot fly a plane without a pilot’s licence.

Or do you actually think that Charlie is stupid enough to think random black men without pilot licences can somehow sneak onto a plane, complete with the uniform and head off to the cockpit unnoticed and just miraculously have the skills and knowledge to fly the plane whilst none of the other air crew wonder who he is?!

If Charlie did say that he actually thinks black men are being allowed to fly planes without a pilot’s licence then he’s stupid, I agree with you.

But everyone, except you, knows he didn’t say that, at least not seriously.

And as for your last paragraph about asking me to provide evidence that black men who aren’t pilots are going around flying planes, what sort of insane question is that to ask?! Of course there is no evidence to show, that as everyone, including Charlie Kirk, knows that everyone who flies a plane has a pilot’s licence.

Everyone’s still waiting.
I think besides you, literally no one else on planet earth is waiting for me to expand on that. I have said what I have to say on it and between us we have bored everyone else away from the thread.

But weren't you supposed to be apologising for something?

@Underthinker You are continuing to deflect and not answer any questions put forward to you. Why are you on this thread masquerading as a left leaning pro choice man, when all you’ve done is make excuses and defences for Kirk’s racism and misogyny? How does defending someone who is against women’s rights and body autonomy- forcing women and children to go through with pregnancies from rape - fit with your so called pro-choice beliefs? Kirk’s extreme ideology sets back women’s rights by hundreds of years.

You cannot claim to value women’s rights and defend someone like Kirk. The cognitive dissonance here is off the scale. You are obtuse and contrarian, there’s no logic to back up your position.

You are continuing to deflect and not answer any questions
I think I've answered pretty much every question thrown at me. Far from avoiding, being typically male I am delighted to get a chance to mansplain on any topic required. But Claaaw demanded the same answer 3 times despite me having already given it and her just not noticing. She can ask me a 4th time but my answer won't change.

You cannot claim to value women’s rights and defend someone like Kirk.
That makes perfect sense in a world where you only defend people you fully agree with.

@Plastictreees do you think you can defend women’s rights and agree with someone who asserts that a trans woman is a woman?

As, thank goodness, becoming an airline pilot is one profession where you simply can’t qualify without meeting incredibly strict standards, the 50% target simply won’t be achieved. So the whole thing is a pointless exercise in virtue signalling.

Have you explained why his ‘prowling blacks’ opinion was out of context? And also have you any context for Kirk calling George Floyd a scumbag that died of drug overdose rather than they actual truth that he was suffocated by the police, who ignore George Floyd pleas that he couldn’t breathe.

Bullshit

its very easy to question whether it’s an issue that hiring practices focus on protected characteristics instead of skill level, especially when the job could literally mean life or death for people.

see how I just did it there without sounding racist?

He sounded racist because he said something racust - it’s not rocket science

@AzurePanda What does that have to do with this thread, which is about Kirk’s views?

No and no.

No, you haven’t. You haven’t explained why you are hell bent on defending someone who endorsed right far extremism, misogyny, racism and bigotry, when you are supposedly left leaning and pro choice.

Make that make sense.

I don't like the extreme polarisation of society, where each side believes the other side are not just wrong but evil, and each side picks key figures from the other side to act as focal points of hate. It seems to have resulted in murder.