Labour Supporters - Do you think it would help if KS was replaced?

[Mrsmunchofmunchington]

I am a life long labour voter. Like many I am incredibly disappointed, in fact I’m devastated by the direction of the current government.

Something needs to change in a pretty radical way or we are opening the door to Deform.

I’m torn between thinking the last thing we need is another revolving door at no 10 but I have lost any confidence that KS is able to lead us out of the mess the tories left us in.

Would it be a good thing to change leaders if this was possible and if so who should it be?

It wouldn’t help replacing him as the real problem is that the core ideologies of Labour are just rotten, it’s those that needs replacing.

No
because society is rotten so they are stuck at doing least harm

can you actually describe a policy ( not a wish list but a mechanism to achieve it) that would get say 80% of people here agreeing to the detail ?

Raise taxes to fund education. And special needs- yoo
raise YOUR taxes … NOOOO

I think name calling is your first problem. You're not going to win hearts and minds by calling Reform, Deform.

Have you seen what is happening to the US right now? Reform will promise the world and deliver nothing. Except an increase in economic instability and an increase in division.

I don’t think it would help Labour much either

I wasn’t trying to.
A bit of dark humour is all that keeps me going sometimes so I’ll call them Deform.

Why did Conservatives get 14 years to implement policies...chance after chance
And Labour are given a year and then hounded

I'm not mad Labour fan by the way just the difference is staggering

They need time for the change they are making to be implemented and results felt

The right are throwing every penny into bad news media campaigns

RR needs to
Go in
My eyes

Because Corbyn was good at winning elections? He couldn’t get through an open door.

THIS. Plus as I've said before, the massive hole they've been put in by previous government is staggering. It'll take years to get to grips with that. That's not to say they've done everything right in year one at all, but it was never going to be possible to fix everything by now. People need to realise that.

@ThatWaryOchreQuoter the core ideologies of Labour are just rotten 1) with what? and 2) that's what people voted for only a year ago. Is it democratic to 'replace' that?

Andy Burnham is an excellent mayor. As a minister he was very bland. I don’t think he’s the answer.

Well you say we don’t pander to the cult of personality. How then do you explain Johnson & Farage?

Nothing to do with the US!

Americans voted for Donald Trump a yet many on here baying for that democratic decision to be overridden.

I said we don’t pander to that extreme.
Boris was eventually held to account. I don’t think trump supporters will ever do the same.

I think we need to hold on hope things improve. I don’t think Starmer is a natural politician (he’s be a fine leader in another context) but I think he’s tried to bring in the right support around him in No 10 to fill those gaps and we need to wait and see if that improves things.

They’ve been unlucky with Rayner. Mandelson was an error thry should have seen coming. It’s unfortunate they’ve both happened in quick succession just after trying to ‘relaunch’. It’s set the narrative now that his leadership is done for, and admittedly it’s going to be really hard to turn around, but I don’t see a better option than trying to stick it out.

Policy-wise - not going to lie there’s a lot of disappointment. But there’s good stuff too and I still think a disappointing Labour government is far preferable to what we had with the Tories or what we are likely to get with Reform.

Sure and I wouldn't defend that either. I dislike Trump immensely but he won this time and the US has to suck that up, as do we all. Same for our current government, which is why people saying it 'needs to be replaced' should give their heads a wobble.

Yes, I see people being assassinated if you don’t agree with what they say during a debate. It’s been a long time coming, but what you are seeing now is a reaction to authoritarian left wing ideology. Trump and Reform are a reaction, and in my view a necessary reaction.

Lifelong labour voter here who first voted for Callaghan in 1979 but I'm centre left and very much anti Corbyn.
I'm disappointed with the Labour government so far but definitely against replacing KS. It's disastrous to replace a leader so quickly without giving them a chance. The country and economy is like an oil tanker, needs time to turn round. He's not a football manager to get booted out after a couple of losses.

I don't think there is a problem with KS, I think there is a problem with the media and our culture in general. He is intelligent, principled and well intentioned in my opinion.

The Tories, Cameron and Johnson specifically have moved us into the 'post truth' era; where as long as you can be slippery enough to not be pinned down to wrongdoing, you can get away with literally anything.

Good intentions, genuine mistakes and changes of circumstances Don't exist anymore. As long as your face fits, you have wealthy friends, the public will support you.

Much of society have become more deferential than ever. Wealth is celebrated and we are seemingly unbothered by really important things like already wealthy people generating more wealth by tapping public funds.

I really don't see much hope for us all currently. I really could not believe the result of the European referendum and I have certainly not felt I'm in line with the public mood since.

I am surprised that lifelong Labour voters are also judging their cabinet and leader on skewed Tory and (case in point, Mandelson) New Labour morals.

Have you seen the economy figures today? That's as a result of Labour policy.
Big pharma leaving and taking jobs + tax revenue is a direct result of Labour policy.

No-one is saying they inherited perfection BUT the economy was starting to grow and Labour are destroying that. They have chosen policies which strangle growth.

I very much supported Corbyn. And when he didn't become PM I knew that was the last chance for me to live through a left-wing government.

However, KS is a very stable leader. The Tory chaos and popularist approach to leadership just proved that swapping and changing leader every couple of months just wrecks our society. Although of course, voting in idiots as leaders didn't help them either. And KS isn't a leader.

Leave KS in power. It'll take a very long time to undo the Tory damage.

Are the growth figures showing any signs of undoing damage? It seems NI has created the opposite, that’s the problem for Labour. It’s very hard to get out of the impact of their last budget.

But is not dark humour is it. Just like liebour, or rachel from accounts or fib dems or whatever other silly nicknames people create. It just playground name calling.

But they have taken the massive hole and made it even bigger. The £20bn black hole they kept talking about is now a £40bn black hole. I really hoped that starmer would drive change but they haven't even laid the ground work for it in the first year.