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Reform to scrap human rights, surely people won't vote for that

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FarFutures · 08/09/2025 17:46

Putting the immigration issues to one side for a moment, as I believe all parties are trying to come up with ways of addressing it.
Here’s what Reform UK’s own policy documents and recent reporting reveal about their stance on the Equality Act:
Reform UK’s Position on the Equality Act
According to Reform UK’s 2024 “Contract” (their equivalent of a manifesto):

  • They intend to scrap the Equality Act 2010 entirely.
  • They specifically criticize it for enforcing "positive action" and claim it has lowered standards and reduced economic productivity.
  • They also vow to eliminate Diversity, Equality and Inclusion (DE&I) rules.
  • Furthermore, Reform proposes to leave the European Convention on Human Rights and introduce a new British Bill of Rights.
Other legal commentary confirms the vagueness of their pledge: they want to replace the Equality Act but provide no details on what, if anything, would take its place. What This Means Reform UK’s Pledge Implications Scrap Equality Act 2010 Dismantling legal protections against discrimination based on characteristics like gender, race, disability, religion, sex, and age. End DE&I rules Remove institutional policies aimed at promoting workplace inclusivity and protecting historically marginalized groups. No official replacement proposed Creates legal uncertainty and could leave many without recourse against discrimination. What Others Are Saying On discussion forums like the National Autistic Society’s community board, Reform’s deputy leader Richard Tice has been quoted saying: “We must fire all these EDI woke jobs and scrap the 2010 Equality Act which is so damaging to growth and productivity.” Bottom Line Reform UK is explicitly planning to scrap the Equality Act. Their publicly declared platform not only advocates repealing it, but also cutting tied-in equality measures like DE&I frameworks—with no clear replacement. This represents a radical restructuring of the UK’s equalities legal framework.

Is this not a reason not to vote Reform, if you have any disabled family members, or care about equality and human rights in general, it's terrifying to me.
How is this not talked about more.

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TheSixthBestOption · 08/09/2025 22:24

Just wanted to note that gender is not a protected characteristic under the Equality Act. It is sex, not gender.

Newjobnewclothes · 08/09/2025 22:25

Yes of course they'll vote for it.

The level of political education and understanding is low among many people in society and so many are easy to manipulate by people like Farage.

My Brexit-voting town's Facebook group is full of people parroting racist rhetoric about boats and immigrants and sounding like fucking fascists in training, then having the audacity to post things like "this isn't what my grandfather fought for, he'd be turning in his grave.

They seriously think WW2 was about keeping foreigners out, not fighting fascism.

Absentosaur · 08/09/2025 22:27

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 08/09/2025 22:20

Makes sense when you think about it. A lot of the current policies seem to disadvantage white British people, it would be a positive change for the majority if that was no longer the case. I don’t like Reform on everything, but they’ve got a knack of understanding the country.

Yes and remember a significant proportion of ‘the left’ see themselves as morally superior to others. They don’t see that they themselves are racist and bigoted. They never change which is why reform are currently rampaging over the electorate.

rockstarshoes · 08/09/2025 22:39

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 08/09/2025 22:20

Makes sense when you think about it. A lot of the current policies seem to disadvantage white British people, it would be a positive change for the majority if that was no longer the case. I don’t like Reform on everything, but they’ve got a knack of understanding the country.

Which policies disadvantage white British people specifically?

Lavender14 · 08/09/2025 22:40

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 08/09/2025 21:34

Actually, I have a good understanding. - trying to characterise people who think differently to you as less intelligent is an overused tactic and one which holds no weight these days and usually indicates either an inability or unwillingness to discuss points and understand alternative perspectives. It’s sadly an all too common stance these days,

@myheartycoralsnail Cool beans. I didn't say you didn't have a good understanding i don't know you... but if you're feeling the need to be personally victimised today then have at it...

I said that the people I know personally, in my real life, who would oppose it, oppose it because they don't have a good understanding of what human rights actually cover. I also didn't call them less intelligent. There's a big difference in being ill informed on a particular subject and being unintelligent. I have extensive training in human rights due to my job so it's something I do actually know a lot about and I'm more than happy to have a debate with people who disagree with me, provided the information they are debating with is correct, as opposed to them just regurgitating what they've seen online that's not actually applicable.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 08/09/2025 22:41

Absentosaur · 08/09/2025 22:27

Yes and remember a significant proportion of ‘the left’ see themselves as morally superior to others. They don’t see that they themselves are racist and bigoted. They never change which is why reform are currently rampaging over the electorate.

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I think it’s been good to have a Labour Government in a strange way as it’s reminded the country just how wacky and out of touch the left are.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 08/09/2025 22:47

rockstarshoes · 08/09/2025 22:39

Which policies disadvantage white British people specifically?

Generally the diversity quota based employment, education and internship schemes being legal under the equalities act and actually encouraged throughout the public sector. They need to be scrapped immediately.

Absentosaur · 08/09/2025 22:48

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 08/09/2025 22:41

I think it’s been good to have a Labour Government in a strange way as it’s reminded the country just how wacky and out of touch the left are.

Every cloud!

ThedaBara · 08/09/2025 22:55

Absentosaur · 08/09/2025 22:00

No.

‘A report for the Policy Exchange think tank, endorsed by Mr Straw, found that arguments for Britain pulling out of the ECHR are “entirely groundless”. ‘

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/jack-straw-leaving-echr-good-friday-5HjdBhd_2/

What do you mean no? Because the Policy Exchange said so?? The article you cited ends with comment from the current government refuting that claim. And here is some bedtime reading about how Policy Exchange operates

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/01/no-10-lobby-groups-democracy-policy-exchange

rockstarshoes · 08/09/2025 23:02

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 08/09/2025 22:47

Generally the diversity quota based employment, education and internship schemes being legal under the equalities act and actually encouraged throughout the public sector. They need to be scrapped immediately.

No they really don’t!
White British people benefit from all those schemes as well you know!

Reform to scrap human rights, surely people won't vote for that
rockstarshoes · 08/09/2025 23:19

rockstarshoes · 08/09/2025 22:39

Which policies disadvantage white British people specifically?

There you go!

Reform to scrap human rights, surely people won't vote for that
Autumnleaves73 · 09/09/2025 05:37

The next election is 4 years away
It's all to play for
Plenty of time for all parties to write and rewrite policies
Nothing is set in stone yet
Plenty of time for labour to turn this round , plenty of time for conservatives to come up with a working plan
If reform get in ...it's because the other parties are pissing about

Nirsery · 09/09/2025 05:51

Course they’ll vote for it. Thickos

orangegato · 09/09/2025 06:24

The patronising bullshit of DEI can go anyway, stands for ‘didn’t earn it’. Prefer the best people for the job, personally.

OxfordInkling · 09/09/2025 06:26

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 18:57

We don't have DEI in the UK.

Hahaha. Oh yes we do.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 09/09/2025 06:31

People don’t think it’ll be their rights taken away. It’ll be the “pisstakers” who can’t be deported because solicitors scream human rights violations.

I do think it needs reforming. Partly to take account of the pisstakers. Wouldn’t vote to leave it personally.

SeriaMau · 09/09/2025 06:55

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 08/09/2025 18:27

Was there not a man who attempted to abduct and sexually assault a young girl, but was stopped by passers by, whose lawyer tried to use the ECHR to say it was against his human rights to have to go to prison?

No.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 09/09/2025 07:04

Nirsery · 09/09/2025 05:51

Course they’ll vote for it. Thickos

Maybe you need to question the intellect levels of those saying “Reform will scrap human rights”, This is not what is happening at all. Several countries have correctly identified that the ECHR (and the laws giving it effect in their jurisdictions) was drafted in a different climate. The ECHR has been used in ways never envisaged to attack other peoples rights and has led to non sensual decisions which have put groups at a disadvantage and increased issues in society and work. It has been used as a means of protecting criminals.

This urgently needs reviewing. Human Rights laws need to be adapted to meet the changing needs of society, The rule of law gives everyone equality in front of the law. We need new laws to ensure that individuals rights aren’t put ahead of the rights of a broader society.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 09/09/2025 07:17

rockstarshoes · 08/09/2025 23:02

No they really don’t!
White British people benefit from all those schemes as well you know!

No, dishing out jobs and opportunities based on skin colour and religion for equality of outcome is dystopian nonsense. We need laws to prohibit discrimination based on race, religion, sex etc and not encourage it.

Perzival · 09/09/2025 07:40

My son is profoundly disabled. At the moment there are hundreds of people like him locked in rooms/ cells, fed through a hatch in the door etc just because they have severe autism/ learning disabilities. They are slowly bringing these people home. If the right to family life/ home is removed I fear that these sort of placements will increase and we will go back to locking people up who aren't criminals just because they are disabled as the norm.

I can imagine Reform doing this and it scares me.

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-07-14/familys-hurt-as-thousands-with-learning-disabilities-locked-up

piscofrisco · 09/09/2025 07:41

They will. Because they have been sold the idea that the Human Rights are what enables immigrants to come and remain in this country. They don’t understand that that’s not correct and in fact they will be a bit screwed without Human Rights that also apply to them.

YourFairScroller · 09/09/2025 08:00

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/09/2025 08:08

Meandery · 08/09/2025 18:00

No longer being part of the European convention of human rights will be helpful in terms of being able to deport criminals who are foreign nationals. At the moment they can claim deportation will breach their human rights under the ECHR and then we can't deport them, even if they have committed crimes here or even been previously legally deported and returned again illegally. See just 3 examples:

Ardit Binaj - Albanian burglar who was previously deported https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/07/deported-albanian-sneaks-back-into-uk-and-uses-echr-to-stay/

Marlon Martins Dos Santos - a Brazilian paedophile who has previously been found guilty for raping a 5 year old girl multiple times as well as further offences against children in the UK
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/rapist-and-murder-suspect-block-extradition-with-echr-claims-g2rvmk39m

Shawn Mcleod - a Jamaican drug dealer
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jamaican-drug-dealer-deportation-cannabis-b2699642.html

It's hastily written post second world war legislation that is no longer fit for purpose, if it ever really was. Unfortunately most people just hear 'human rights' and think those against ECHR are against human rights in general. Obviously, the ECHR isn't the only way to legislate around human rights and if its not working, it's not unreasonable to change it.

The ECHR is not perfect by any means, but it was debated and drafted over a long period of time by some of the brightest and best minds from each of the founding member states.

Can it be improved upon? Yes, certainly.

By whatever Farage and his thick acolytes scribble on the back of a fag packet? Certainly not.

We are all far better protected by having the rights enshrined in the ECHR, which includes your right to life and freedom from torture and inhumane treatment, your right to a fair trial, your right to freedom of belief and expression, and your right to a private and family life, than we would be if we could deport a few more foreign criminals.

I have no doubt that Farage and Co would bring back the death penalty as a matter of priority, and I have absolutely no desire to see the UK become the shame of Europe with a justice system as fucked up as the Americans.mp

SisterMargaretta · 09/09/2025 08:10

Course they will. Moat of the people who vote reform won't give two hoots about anything the party stands for other than being anti immigration. They will.learm the hard way afterwards. Of course they'll drag the rest of us down the pan with them.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 09/09/2025 08:15

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100% agree. There’s a whole chunk of the population who think their views are the only acceptable ones and whose debating skills revolve around calling other people “thick” (or variations thereof). It is simultaneously depressing and laughably ironic.

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