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Reform to scrap human rights, surely people won't vote for that

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FarFutures · 08/09/2025 17:46

Putting the immigration issues to one side for a moment, as I believe all parties are trying to come up with ways of addressing it.
Here’s what Reform UK’s own policy documents and recent reporting reveal about their stance on the Equality Act:
Reform UK’s Position on the Equality Act
According to Reform UK’s 2024 “Contract” (their equivalent of a manifesto):

  • They intend to scrap the Equality Act 2010 entirely.
  • They specifically criticize it for enforcing "positive action" and claim it has lowered standards and reduced economic productivity.
  • They also vow to eliminate Diversity, Equality and Inclusion (DE&I) rules.
  • Furthermore, Reform proposes to leave the European Convention on Human Rights and introduce a new British Bill of Rights.
Other legal commentary confirms the vagueness of their pledge: they want to replace the Equality Act but provide no details on what, if anything, would take its place. What This Means Reform UK’s Pledge Implications Scrap Equality Act 2010 Dismantling legal protections against discrimination based on characteristics like gender, race, disability, religion, sex, and age. End DE&I rules Remove institutional policies aimed at promoting workplace inclusivity and protecting historically marginalized groups. No official replacement proposed Creates legal uncertainty and could leave many without recourse against discrimination. What Others Are Saying On discussion forums like the National Autistic Society’s community board, Reform’s deputy leader Richard Tice has been quoted saying: “We must fire all these EDI woke jobs and scrap the 2010 Equality Act which is so damaging to growth and productivity.” Bottom Line Reform UK is explicitly planning to scrap the Equality Act. Their publicly declared platform not only advocates repealing it, but also cutting tied-in equality measures like DE&I frameworks—with no clear replacement. This represents a radical restructuring of the UK’s equalities legal framework.

Is this not a reason not to vote Reform, if you have any disabled family members, or care about equality and human rights in general, it's terrifying to me.
How is this not talked about more.

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user1471453601 · 08/09/2025 20:26

@Meandery prior to brexit, immigration through "small boats" was under 300 a year, post brexit it's mushroom to 35,000.

we had the protection of the Dublin Agreement prior to brexit (send "small boat" people to the first country that was safe for them that they arrived in.). Post brexit speaks for itself in relation to the number of "small boats".
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so I wouldn't trust Farrage on looking after your human rights, seeing what a pig's ear brexit (Farrages creation) was in terms of immigration.

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 20:27

user1471453601 · 08/09/2025 20:26

@Meandery prior to brexit, immigration through "small boats" was under 300 a year, post brexit it's mushroom to 35,000.

we had the protection of the Dublin Agreement prior to brexit (send "small boat" people to the first country that was safe for them that they arrived in.). Post brexit speaks for itself in relation to the number of "small boats".
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so I wouldn't trust Farrage on looking after your human rights, seeing what a pig's ear brexit (Farrages creation) was in terms of immigration.

You’ve overlooked the high numbers that arrived by lorry pre Brexit. They were as high as now at one point. Also we also sent a few back with the DA, we took more than we sent back.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 08/09/2025 20:34

LarkspurLane · 08/09/2025 19:59

I don't think anyone thinks Reform are hot on women's rights, do they?
I just don't think that women who vote for Reform think that they themselves will be affected. Maybe they don't want abortions or divorces or whatever themselves.
Like the people who said they wouldn't mind a bit of hardship from Brexit if they got their sovereignty back, I think a lot of people just want Britain to look great again even if everyone is a bit worse off.
I think it is also true that a lot of people think that "others" have too many rights.

you do understand that Farage has said abortion is a matter of individual consciences- he has said the 24 weeks limit was based on survival likelihood of the baby if born at that date. He has said babies now survive at 22 weeks so the 24 weeks limit is probably out of date and needs looking at. He has also said the 2 child benefit cap needs to be removed which many people have campaigned for in the context of helping alleviate child poverty.

im not sure why you think people won’t be able to divorce. He has suggested financial assistance for marriage - preferential treatment for married couples already exists in the tax system (and used to be more eg married couple allowance) - he is proposing extending that.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 08/09/2025 20:48

user1471453601 · 08/09/2025 20:26

@Meandery prior to brexit, immigration through "small boats" was under 300 a year, post brexit it's mushroom to 35,000.

we had the protection of the Dublin Agreement prior to brexit (send "small boat" people to the first country that was safe for them that they arrived in.). Post brexit speaks for itself in relation to the number of "small boats".
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so I wouldn't trust Farrage on looking after your human rights, seeing what a pig's ear brexit (Farrages creation) was in terms of immigration.

But immigration it rising exponentially throughout Europe. This issue then flows through to the UK.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 08/09/2025 20:51

BIossomtoes · 08/09/2025 20:20

Even if all that was true (it isn’t) any redrafting of a UK rights bill should be kept as far away from Farage as humanly possible.

Which parts are untrue.

stargirl1701 · 08/09/2025 20:54

I think the polls indicate that England will vote for it.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 08/09/2025 20:56

BIossomtoes · 08/09/2025 20:20

Even if all that was true (it isn’t) any redrafting of a UK rights bill should be kept as far away from Farage as humanly possible.

Can you point out which points are incorrect?

Viviennemary · 08/09/2025 20:58

It's being used as a criminals charter. So it needs to go.

napody · 08/09/2025 21:04

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 08/09/2025 20:34

you do understand that Farage has said abortion is a matter of individual consciences- he has said the 24 weeks limit was based on survival likelihood of the baby if born at that date. He has said babies now survive at 22 weeks so the 24 weeks limit is probably out of date and needs looking at. He has also said the 2 child benefit cap needs to be removed which many people have campaigned for in the context of helping alleviate child poverty.

im not sure why you think people won’t be able to divorce. He has suggested financial assistance for marriage - preferential treatment for married couples already exists in the tax system (and used to be more eg married couple allowance) - he is proposing extending that.

Your second sentence contradicts your first one. Then your fourth point (preferential treatment for married couples) contradicts your third one (this will increase child poverty and inequality).

In other words, it's a PERFECT summary of Reform's 'policy plans' so far.

BIossomtoes · 08/09/2025 21:05

stargirl1701 · 08/09/2025 20:54

I think the polls indicate that England will vote for it.

The polls are completely irrelevant almost four years out from a general election. This is what they predicted four years before the last one.

https://www.survation.com/survation-political-poll-10-12-july-2020/

Survation Political Poll 10-12 July 2020 | Survation

Survation UK voting intention poll 10th-12th July shows Conservatives at 42% maintain a lead over Labour on 36%

https://www.survation.com/survation-political-poll-10-12-july-2020

rockstarshoes · 08/09/2025 21:05

Viviennemary · 08/09/2025 20:58

It's being used as a criminals charter. So it needs to go.

Even if your own Human Rights go with it?

DryAndBalmy · 08/09/2025 21:07

Meadowfinch · 08/09/2025 18:21

I know plenty of people who would scrap the DEI initiatives and a few who think the ECHR is not fit for purpose.

That is not so rare.

Yes.

EvelynBeatrice · 08/09/2025 21:09

Goldenbear · 08/09/2025 18:57

We don't have DEI in the UK.

That will be news to the many many U.K. organisations who have heads of DEI and DEI initiatives and ‘inclusion’ weeks.

atinydropofcherrysherry · 08/09/2025 21:13

yeah but the left abuses human rights of free speech , women's rights in changing rooms, so what rights do you really have in mind....

wiminny · 08/09/2025 21:15

Nigel Trump Farage.

Absentosaur · 08/09/2025 21:16

Jack Straw speaks sense. If only today’s shambles of a Labour Party would listen to the old guard - they are often far more competent and credible than the shower in gvt atm.

Former British Lord Chancellor and Labour Secretary of State for Justice Jack Straw has said that Britain does not need to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) “the better to deal with the unacceptable number of unlawful and unfounded asylum seekers”.

He said that, rather, Britain should de-couple its own human-rights legislation from the convention (as other European countries have done).

https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/2025/september/increasing-acceptance-in-britain-for-reworkedechr/

‘Increasing acceptance’ in Britain for reworked ECHR

https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/2025/september/increasing-acceptance-in-britain-for-reworked--echr

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm · 08/09/2025 21:20

The EHRC badly needs reform ( no pun intended ). It is being manipulated by lawyers and pressure groups with very clear agendas. I cannot believe the original intention was to allow scummy foreign criminals to avoid deportation because they knocked some naive woman up,or because they are ( apparently) gay. Their potential problems in their countries of origin are not my,or my countries concern. Their political opinions,and possible activism,are not my countries concern. Not our problem. The public will vote enthusiastically for this.Anyone who thinks otherwise has,frankly,their head buried in the sand.
And it will entirely be the fault of lawyers ,judges and feeble minded fellow travellers who have ripped the arse out of the law.

Simplestars · 08/09/2025 21:21

They would vote to push their granny off the cliff coz farage is man of the people.

Lavender14 · 08/09/2025 21:21

Meadowfinch · 08/09/2025 18:21

I know plenty of people who would scrap the DEI initiatives and a few who think the ECHR is not fit for purpose.

That is not so rare.

Unfortunately I agree and in the cases I'm aware of, it's people who have quite a limited understanding of what human rights actually are and what's counted. I think a lot of people are quite ill informed and would be easily swayed by media especially in light of the current anti immigration climate and the particular persecution of asylum seekers.

Simplestars · 08/09/2025 21:21

They would vote to push their granny off the cliff coz farage is man of the people.

WhitstablePearl · 08/09/2025 21:22

Yes, they will. Because they never think it will affect them.

In the words of the Manic Street Preachers, “If you tolerate this, then your children will be next”

rockstarshoes · 08/09/2025 21:24

atinydropofcherrysherry · 08/09/2025 21:13

yeah but the left abuses human rights of free speech , women's rights in changing rooms, so what rights do you really have in mind....

you have both those so straight back at you!

EasternStandard · 08/09/2025 21:26

Absentosaur · 08/09/2025 21:16

Jack Straw speaks sense. If only today’s shambles of a Labour Party would listen to the old guard - they are often far more competent and credible than the shower in gvt atm.

Former British Lord Chancellor and Labour Secretary of State for Justice Jack Straw has said that Britain does not need to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) “the better to deal with the unacceptable number of unlawful and unfounded asylum seekers”.

He said that, rather, Britain should de-couple its own human-rights legislation from the convention (as other European countries have done).

https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/2025/september/increasing-acceptance-in-britain-for-reworkedechr/

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I wonder if this will filter down to Labour and then posters will claim to be ok with it as it's their party doing it.

A bit like the asylum stuff where family reunification has stopped with Labour and there's no mention of it.

Plus many countries are pushing for reform of the ECHR anyway.

GoBackToTheStart · 08/09/2025 21:29

Underthinker · 08/09/2025 19:31

Why are multiple people saying we dont have DEI in the UK?
My work has a DEI manager, and so do many other companies, although the name might vary slightly. Famously Isla Bumba appeared in the recent Sandy Peggie trial and her role was "Equality and Human rights lead and senior Diversity officer". Are people seriously saying this is a different function to DEI?

I think the pp’s point was that “DEI” is generally considered a US centric term and we tend to have “EDI” or “Diversity & Inclusion” or other variants. Yes the function is generally the same, but there’s a massive creep of American terminology into British language which suggests that American policies and views are influencing British views and people in Britain, including, apparently, political parties.

It’s the same as seeing “PII” mentioned instead of “personal data”. It suggests the speaker is consuming American content rather than British and not contextualising for the country they’re in, even though there are differences in the concepts and policies and laws attached to them. It is fairly indicative of just how much sway US media has over the British public and is even more concerning when it comes from politicians known for trying to buddy up to the US because it suggests they’re somewhat parroting their pals across the water.

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