Would you support mandatory identity cards in the UK?

[Dbank]

Non-mandatory cards have been attempted multiple times and failed to be adopted, do you think now is the time to make them mandatory?

They're not 'easy to get' at all.

I don’t understand why people keep going on about phones. The government has no access to my phone.

can the government access your phones in the countries you’re talking about?

”other countries” really isn’t the flex people seem to think it is. Believe it or not, most people don’t fan girl random countries for spurious reasons.

Calling people boot tickers is rude
And using the phrase critical thinker gives you away as a conspiracy "the establishment are out to get us" bore

From labourtogether

"BritCard: a progressive digital identity for Britain"

"This paper makes the case for the introduction of BritCard: a mandatory national digital identity that would be issued free of charge to all those with the right to live or work in the UK, whether they are British-born nationals or legal migrants. The BritCard would be a verifiable digital credential downloaded onto a user’s smartphone, which could be instantly checked by employers or landlords using a free verifier app.By introducing a mandatory, universal, national identity credential - BritCard - the Labour Government has the opportunity to build a new piece of civic infrastructure, something that would become a familiar feature of daily life for everyone in the country. It would support better enforcement of migration rules, and protect vulnerable British citizens from being wrongly denied their rights.

That wasn’t what I meant. Posters above have indicated that we shouldn’t care about mandatory ID because we are already carrying around tracking devices- everything from our smartphones to our Google accounts to our Tesco club card.

my point was the government can’t track me through any of those existing, non mandatory, methods.

You know critical theory is an academic discipline right? you can even do a phd in it 😂 I’m not sure what you’re mixing it up with conspiracy theories.

Just to muddy the waters, there are already situations in UK law where the police are able to ask for ID and can detain you if they are not satisfied with the response.

So this thread is mainly arguing over the price, to coin a phrase.

Yes and they can indeed, access your phone under certain circumstances

I stilll think that’s different to mandatory ID and furthermore im not particularly concerned about today- I have no issue providing British police with my ID on demand in 2025.

it’s the state of the country ongoing I’m concerned about, what the next 30 years looks like. And that can’t be judged against today

I stilll think that’s different to mandatory ID and furthermore im not particularly concerned about today- I have no issue providing British police with my ID on demand in 2025.

Arguably it's worse than mandatory ID, as there is no statutory way to satisfy them. Plus the fact they could detain you for an hour while they "check your papers".

Only if all the expenses for this was covered by the tax payer.

Even if someone "loses" their card 100 times a month ?

i can’t think why it’s necessary.

theres plenty of surveillance already

I actually think that’s very unlikely! People manage not to lose the keys to homes that often! And clearly there should be digital cards and optional physical cards. They don’t issue physical cards for national insurance numbers anymore I think people can manage! (Obviously there should be ways of supporting people with cognitive issues such as Parkinson’s or dementia)

You realise you missed the point ?

If you’re talking about people doing it deliberately perhaps you should be more explicit sometimes it’s difficult to tell on forums like this.

But that could be dealt with by fines it’s not rocket science.. the fines just need to be big enough to act as deterrent maybe even prison time.

If you think your movements aren’t already tracked then you’re pretty naive.

Well I’d be screwed then as I’m constantly losing my keys and bank cards. It’s embarrassing the number of times I’ve had to call my bank for a replacement.

Oh take your tin foil hat off and have a cup of tea.

They absolutely can if they need to.

I sure you don’t do it deliberately though do you? Do you lose your passport as much? As it’s more similar to that as you wouldn’t have to carry around all the time like keys and a bank card.

Some people who are neurodivergent would struggle and if the government wants to proceed with this then they will just have to cover the cost of people losing it. But if you have a digital copy that might help.

I still don’t understand why people want one.

Hmmm yes I have lost my passport and child’s passport before…

Creating offences that could see the entire adult population locked up isn't going to help our prison service ...

I don’t want one but if they insist I’m not happy to pay for it upfront like passports which are ridiculously expensive! It would need to be paid for by the tax payer. And if we had one maybe we wouldn’t need a passport, a national insurance number, an NHS number it could all be contained on the digital ID card.

It’s only like how you can be prosecuted for benefits fraud, I don’t see it being any different to that!