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Labour - death by a thousand cuts…

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MyNameIsX · 10/08/2025 21:14

Labour - another day, another calamity…

Utter treachery and deceit from our illustrious government.

The Government’s own estimate of the cost of giving away the British Indian Ocean Territory to Mauritius is almost £35bn, according to documents released under the Freedom of Information Act – far higher than the £3.4bn figure Sir Keir has previously used in public.

Labour ministers now face claims that they misled Parliament and the press with an “accountancy trick” to hide the size of the bill from taxpayers.

Under the terms of Sir Keir’s deal, the UK will give up the Chagos Islands by the end of this year and lease back the Diego Garcia military base, a facility built there in the 1970s that has been used by UK and US forces.

The cost of the agreement has been fiercely disputed. Sir Keir claimed in May that it would be £3.4bn over 99 years, accounting for inflation and other discounts, but the Conservatives said it would total £30bn.

An official document produced by the Government Actuary’s Department shows the cost of the deal was first estimated at 10 times Sir Keir’s figure, at £34.7bn, in nominal terms.

It explains how the cost was lowered by the Government using inflation estimates, then reduced again under a controversial accounting method sometimes used for long-term projects.

The total cost, which ministers refused to release to Parliament, is equivalent to 10 Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers, or more than half the annual schools’ budget.

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YelloDaisy · 11/08/2025 12:11

Well what are Labour to do we’ve got no money and huge interest payments we can’t cover - oh silly me tax the rich and give it to the poor

Sskka · 11/08/2025 12:15

@Alexandra2001 “is this £33bn..... for Chagos......it is at most 300k per year to continue to use a base for the next 100 years”

Can you stop saying this please? 33 billion over a hundred years means 300 million per year, not 300 thousand.

twistyizzy · 11/08/2025 12:15

Alexandra2001 · 11/08/2025 12:04

So what? you re not looking at the other side of the Debt to GDP ratio are you? no surprise as all you do is trash the country... with a series of negative and twisted stats... another one is this £33bn..... for Chagos......it is at most 300k per year to continue to use a base for the next 100 years.... good value.

You've a good user name for what you post.

Debt was 96.3% of GDP at the end of June 2025. It was 95.8% of GDP at the end of June 2024.

In Sept 24 , for the first time since the 1960s, UK national debt has hit 100% of GDP.

Currently under Labour, it's the highest it's ever been:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/282647/government-debt-uk/

UK debt hits 100% of GDP, the highest level since 1960s

Debt pile increases by 4.3 percentage points in year to August, adding to challenge for chancellor Rachel Reeves

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/20/uk-debt-gdp-rachel-reeves

twistyizzy · 11/08/2025 12:18

Alexandra2001 · 11/08/2025 12:04

So what? you re not looking at the other side of the Debt to GDP ratio are you? no surprise as all you do is trash the country... with a series of negative and twisted stats... another one is this £33bn..... for Chagos......it is at most 300k per year to continue to use a base for the next 100 years.... good value.

You've a good user name for what you post.

You obviously went to same school of economics as Reeves.
It's £300 Million per year!

EasternStandard · 11/08/2025 12:18

ParvuliThankYouDebbie · 11/08/2025 11:23

Because they thought he was only a threat to the Tories.
They’re only now realising how wrong they were.

Panicking.

LondonPapa · 11/08/2025 12:21

Singleaftermarriage · 11/08/2025 07:23

The issue is is anyone competent enough in politics? It is now such a devisive job where every decision you make brings about such polarised views that very few people probably even want to get involved. We just dont have the calibre anymore.

You don’t need to be competent to be in politics. And the Chagos was worked on under the Tories considering how quickly it was done by Labour. Hence why the Tories know it’ll cost £30bn 😂😂

Alexandra2001 · 11/08/2025 12:25

The Tories were in power for the majority of that period...

Labour had been in for just ONE month, any debt occurred was due to Tory incompetence.

Thankyou for posting!

300k is the Labour figure, so the real amount will be between 300k and 300m.... nearer 300k if the 33nb figure is from the Tories....

So a bargain.

twistyizzy · 11/08/2025 12:31

Alexandra2001 · 11/08/2025 12:25

The Tories were in power for the majority of that period...

Labour had been in for just ONE month, any debt occurred was due to Tory incompetence.

Thankyou for posting!

300k is the Labour figure, so the real amount will be between 300k and 300m.... nearer 300k if the 33nb figure is from the Tories....

So a bargain.

Edited

Debt for 24/25 is highest on record and Labour have been ij power for most of that period.

ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera · 11/08/2025 12:36

twistyizzy · 11/08/2025 12:31

Debt for 24/25 is highest on record and Labour have been ij power for most of that period.

It's totally fine Twistyizzy - all you have to do is take every figure, divide it by ten and then heave a sigh of relief that Labour are doing just fine.

twistyizzy · 11/08/2025 12:36

Alexandra2001 · 11/08/2025 12:25

The Tories were in power for the majority of that period...

Labour had been in for just ONE month, any debt occurred was due to Tory incompetence.

Thankyou for posting!

300k is the Labour figure, so the real amount will be between 300k and 300m.... nearer 300k if the 33nb figure is from the Tories....

So a bargain.

Edited

The 34B figure isn't from the Tories, it was released by the Government Actuary’s Department.
So yes over £300 million per year not 300K as claimed by PP.

xanthomelana · 11/08/2025 12:38

Alexandra2001 · 11/08/2025 12:25

The Tories were in power for the majority of that period...

Labour had been in for just ONE month, any debt occurred was due to Tory incompetence.

Thankyou for posting!

300k is the Labour figure, so the real amount will be between 300k and 300m.... nearer 300k if the 33nb figure is from the Tories....

So a bargain.

Edited

Does it not worry you that they’ve lied about the whole situation yet again? Or are you so blinkered that you are missing the whole point? The entire 14 years they were in opposition they called out the Tories for lying at every opportunity and now here we are with them doing exactly the same thing that they proclaimed to hate when they sat on the opposition benches.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 11/08/2025 13:03

xanthomelana · 11/08/2025 12:38

Does it not worry you that they’ve lied about the whole situation yet again? Or are you so blinkered that you are missing the whole point? The entire 14 years they were in opposition they called out the Tories for lying at every opportunity and now here we are with them doing exactly the same thing that they proclaimed to hate when they sat on the opposition benches.

My favourite so far is the minister for homelessness turfing her tenants out. The anti-corruption minister resigning because of fears about her connection to a horribly corrupt regime is a close second, but doesn’t quite have that edge of extraordinary hypocrisy, at least yet.

I’m confident there’s lots more to come. And on this government’s track record, sooner rather than later.

On a different subject, I haven’t seen anything of Labour’s Covid ‘corruption tsar’. His contract’s up at the end of the year. I wonder if he’s finding it hard going finding any corruption.

Katypp · 11/08/2025 14:02

xanthomelana · 11/08/2025 12:38

Does it not worry you that they’ve lied about the whole situation yet again? Or are you so blinkered that you are missing the whole point? The entire 14 years they were in opposition they called out the Tories for lying at every opportunity and now here we are with them doing exactly the same thing that they proclaimed to hate when they sat on the opposition benches.

That in a nutshell is my issue with Labour. I cannot stand hypocrisy and this lot are the biggest hypocrites of any politicians for a long while. As a pp said, it's the fact they campaigned on being different to the Tories, which makes them - to me - worse.
Yet somehow, they are managing to keep their hardcore of MN supporters with them, fiercely defending RR for lying on her CV, Starmer for using a free flat, others for taking free tickets etc in a way they never, ever would if those people were Tories.
Would Labour supporters accept cuts in PIP or WFP because they had to be made? Of course they wouldn't.
Would Labour supporters brush over the fact that Channel crossings hit their highest level recently if the Tories were in charge? They would not.
What about ministers having to resign? They would let us know about that, probably calling them typical Tories.
Then there's the U-turns. I suppose they would be OK under Tories too.
Rioting at migrant hotels, doctors' strikes (oh how supporters crowed that Labour had 'sorted' these within days last year), with nurses set to follow suit. Rubbish piling up in Birmingham.
RR called for an emergency budget under the Tories, yet stayed silent when the economy did the same under her watch. But that;s fine apparently.
But, they have only been in power a month, six months, a year ... and the Tories were worse.
Hypocrites, the lot of them, and their sheep followers.

twistyizzy · 11/08/2025 14:23

Just read that the reported plan to recruit 1,000 new careers advisors has been cancelled. This decision affects a Labour Party pledge to invest in additional careers support, including specialist mental health services and Young Futures Hub.

Katypp · 11/08/2025 15:06

Just found this gem from a poster last year when asked the best things Labour 'had done' since taking power four months earlier.
Quite an impressive list - it's a pity most of them are not happening

VAT on private education
Breakfast clubs in schools
Increasing investment in the NHS
Sorting out doctors' pay
Increasing investment in education ( but still not enough)
Investment in the green economy
Pensions and businesses included in inheritance tax ie closing the loopholes
Banning tobacco sales to young people
Taxing non doms
Building more houses and hopefully not allowing social housing to be be bought by private individuals i.e stopping the right to buy
Pledging to honour compensation to blood infection victims and Post Office scandal victims

MyNameIsX · 11/08/2025 17:28

Katypp · 11/08/2025 15:06

Just found this gem from a poster last year when asked the best things Labour 'had done' since taking power four months earlier.
Quite an impressive list - it's a pity most of them are not happening

VAT on private education
Breakfast clubs in schools
Increasing investment in the NHS
Sorting out doctors' pay
Increasing investment in education ( but still not enough)
Investment in the green economy
Pensions and businesses included in inheritance tax ie closing the loopholes
Banning tobacco sales to young people
Taxing non doms
Building more houses and hopefully not allowing social housing to be be bought by private individuals i.e stopping the right to buy
Pledging to honour compensation to blood infection victims and Post Office scandal victims

Gem?

Shall we break down each line item? Cost benefit analysis….

Then we can do another list with Labour’s negatives to date - again with a cost benefit analysis.

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MyNameIsX · 11/08/2025 17:30

twistyizzy · 11/08/2025 12:18

You obviously went to same school of economics as Reeves.
It's £300 Million per year!

Edited

HAHAHAHA…..

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MyNameIsX · 11/08/2025 17:31

Alexandra2001 · 11/08/2025 12:25

The Tories were in power for the majority of that period...

Labour had been in for just ONE month, any debt occurred was due to Tory incompetence.

Thankyou for posting!

300k is the Labour figure, so the real amount will be between 300k and 300m.... nearer 300k if the 33nb figure is from the Tories....

So a bargain.

Edited

LOL!

Did you graduate from the same mathematics class as Diane Abbott?

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Alexandra2001 · 11/08/2025 19:09

twistyizzy · 11/08/2025 12:31

Debt for 24/25 is highest on record and Labour have been ij power for most of that period.

Read your own article? it covers the period August 23 to August 24....

You are ignoring any GDP growth...

... I'd ask for your money back from the Phillip Hammond school of numbers.....

Alexandra2001 · 11/08/2025 19:13

MyNameIsX · 11/08/2025 17:31

LOL!

Did you graduate from the same mathematics class as Diane Abbott?

No but it appears you did from the Priti Patel Maths class.... Labour say 3.4bn over 100 years... Tories say 34bn over 100 years... maybe Patel came up with that number...... or you?

MyNameIsX · 11/08/2025 19:15

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MyNameIsX · 11/08/2025 19:18

From 9 Feb 2025...for context.

Earlier this week the Mauritian prime minister claimed that the British government had made a new offer for the Chagos islands. In this new deal, Britain will pay £18 billion (instead of £9 billion) and hand full sovereignty of the island of Diego Garcia over to Mauritius. Our government has denied making any such offer but given Labour’s less than stellar track record at negotiating, can we be so sure?

The deal seems bad on all fronts. Not only are we ceding territory, we are paying an astronomical fee to do so. Whether it’s £9 billion or £18 billion, this deal would be record-breaking in its cost. The US bought much of its current mainland in three big purchases (the Louisiana purchase, the Alaska purchase and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo) which, even combined, were almost nine times less expensive than the £9 billion deal in real terms.

The exorbitant price is further highlighted when looking at current government projects. This allows us to see what the government thinks is of equal value, in cash terms, to giving away the Chagos Islands.

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Plumstrum · 11/08/2025 19:19

The tax on private schools is because they are actually businesses and not charities as they claim to be.

Katypp · 11/08/2025 19:33

Plumstrum · 11/08/2025 19:19

The tax on private schools is because they are actually businesses and not charities as they claim to be.

Please elaborate?

Alexandra2001 · 11/08/2025 19:40

MyNameIsX · 11/08/2025 19:18

From 9 Feb 2025...for context.

Earlier this week the Mauritian prime minister claimed that the British government had made a new offer for the Chagos islands. In this new deal, Britain will pay £18 billion (instead of £9 billion) and hand full sovereignty of the island of Diego Garcia over to Mauritius. Our government has denied making any such offer but given Labour’s less than stellar track record at negotiating, can we be so sure?

The deal seems bad on all fronts. Not only are we ceding territory, we are paying an astronomical fee to do so. Whether it’s £9 billion or £18 billion, this deal would be record-breaking in its cost. The US bought much of its current mainland in three big purchases (the Louisiana purchase, the Alaska purchase and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo) which, even combined, were almost nine times less expensive than the £9 billion deal in real terms.

The exorbitant price is further highlighted when looking at current government projects. This allows us to see what the government thinks is of equal value, in cash terms, to giving away the Chagos Islands.

Why weren't you so vocal when Sunak cancelled HS2 at a cost of 29bn ?

Or don't Tory screw ups count?

Maybe he was thick?