Labour - death by a thousand cuts…

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Labour - another day, another calamity…

Utter treachery and deceit from our illustrious government.

The Government’s own estimate of the cost of giving away the British Indian Ocean Territory to Mauritius is almost £35bn, according to documents released under the Freedom of Information Act – far higher than the £3.4bn figure Sir Keir has previously used in public.

Labour ministers now face claims that they misled Parliament and the press with an “accountancy trick” to hide the size of the bill from taxpayers.

Under the terms of Sir Keir’s deal, the UK will give up the Chagos Islands by the end of this year and lease back the Diego Garcia military base, a facility built there in the 1970s that has been used by UK and US forces.

The cost of the agreement has been fiercely disputed. Sir Keir claimed in May that it would be £3.4bn over 99 years, accounting for inflation and other discounts, but the Conservatives said it would total £30bn.

An official document produced by the Government Actuary’s Department shows the cost of the deal was first estimated at 10 times Sir Keir’s figure, at £34.7bn, in nominal terms.

It explains how the cost was lowered by the Government using inflation estimates, then reduced again under a controversial accounting method sometimes used for long-term projects.

The total cost, which ministers refused to release to Parliament, is equivalent to 10 Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers, or more than half the annual schools’ budget.

It's Labour who will push us into a US health system: through their changes to the no-longer-accurately-named Equality Act. By prioritising access to an increasingly stretched NHS by social class rather than clinical need, the NHS will become our equivalent to Medicaid, and everyone else will need private medical insurance.

If we want to avoid that, then we need to recognise the limitations of state-funded healthcare in this age of extraordinary medical advances, where there's no ceiling to what a country can spend on ever-more-sophisticated treatments. We need to actively go for an EU-style insurance model which keeps state-funded healthcare equally available to everyone -but discourages misuse - before there's nothing left to transform.

Well done Labour. Another disaster for the country.

They think we are all fools.

If it weren’t so awful, I would say I have enjoyed watching labour wrestle with reality.

They were barracking from the sides about every decision the last government tried to enact. Five minutes in post and they do everything they argued bitterly against.

I was just reading about this. This is awful.
I think you may have linked to the wrong article though, op. Did you mean this?

Revealed: Chagos deal to cost 10 times what Starmer claimed

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/54230d697cbf0094

Thanks - yes it’s about the Chagos.

The issue is is anyone competent enough in politics? It is now such a devisive job where every decision you make brings about such polarised views that very few people probably even want to get involved. We just dont have the calibre anymore.

Possibly the worst ‘government’ in living memory. They don’t seem to have even basic competence as ministers, or even basic morality ( lying about their previous employment, lying about their qualifications, blatant hypocrisy, possibly corruption and some very dodgy sexual shenanigans which are being suppressed by court order).

Well, we can assert, with some conviction, that Labour definitely lacks competence.

Well, you can't put a price on the Chagossians' happiness.

Oh wait, they didn't want it either.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crln9np2dz8o

The bizarre coordinated attacks - in a Tufton style manner - on Labour is really making me question why I stay on mumsnet.
Love how Labour put vat on private school fees - it warms my soul. I’m pleased we are getting rid of overseas territories we have no business being in because they’re OVERSEAS.

Chagossians don't want it, taxpayers don't want this. It's a hell of a price to pay to save the fragile from the embarrassment of having to explain our overseas territory at their next dinner party.

It warms your soul that SEND children are being forced out of schools where they are happy and settled because of VAT?

That says a hell of a lot about you as a person that you support a tax on the education of children.

Ideologically you are behind Nigeria, a country which has just reversed the same policy. A country where only 25% of girls get a secondary education. You think it's a good thing that we are now behind Nigeria and the UK is now the only country in the world to tax the education of children?

That's great, well done you but at least own the fact that you support taxing of children's education ie you don't believe it's a merit good, just another way to raise money for the Treasury.

FYI the "coordinated attack" are exactly the same as the many, many posts attacking Tories when they were in. Did you complain about those? Labour are incompetent and mendacious liars and people have a right to call them out.

By prioritising access to an increasingly stretched NHS by social class rather than clinical need, the NHS will become our equivalent to Medicaid, and everyone else will need private medical insurance.

And then they’ll tell us that we’re over privileged and have to pay VAT on the private healthcare.

Well Kinnock would like that!

There's nothing 'bizarre' about constantly criticising a bunch of incompetent fools hell bent on destroying the country with their stupidity. They deserve everything they get.

Nail on the head. It’s ironic that it’s going to be labour who kill the nhs as we know it!

I actually think that's almost inevitable.

VAT on University education too. They also floated differentiated University fees, so the children of the middle class would be paying VAT on a higher amount (and hence paying back higher student loans throughout their lives, regardless of their own earnings) All for a less prestigious university, if Universities are required to discriminate by social class as well.

Sure. Nobody is alive today who remembers Liz Truss.

And the 14 years of Tory government did wonders for the Country. No hypocrisy, corruption from them and dodgy sexual shenanigans from them. Not one bit. It’s a wonder that they suffered the greatest election loss in history. I can’t imagine what people found so bad about them.

Rachel Reeves already managed almost Truss levels of damage, and she hasn't finished yet
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-bonds-suffer-biggest-selloff-since-october-2022-worries-build-over-finance-2025-07-02/

Yes the Tory’s were terrible too. But Labour will push us to bankruptcy - I’m beginning to think that is their goal. The speed of destruction certainly suggests they have a plan - I can’t see it being incompetence - if it were, then surely they would get a few things correct by chance.

What is interesting is I have never known so many people discuss politics in real life, walking the dog and in supermarket queues strangers bring up politics, kids club, school gates, hobby clubs all prepared to talk about politics (I won’t shame anyone for their political views which has helped their honesty) and I’ve not heard a positive word about Labour for months except ‘about time right to buy discounts were reduced’.

The Labour Party members I know are now supporting Corbyn. The Labour voters (not members) are supporting reform. Some Conservative voters have gone to Reform and others further right - Advance.

The NHS needs to follow a European model.

My kids go to state school but the taxation of education is disgusting. It’s petty and had little to do with raising funds.

Starmer will be telling his MPs ‘a couple of tough years and we will turn it round in time for the election’ but I am pretty sure he knows they will not get elected again.

I agree with you - I question why you remain on MN too.

14 years and an alleged 20 bn black hole

versus

Less than 14 months and 51 bn and climbing.

Erm.

Labour are so bad that I'm starting to look back at the Truss weeks rather wistfully.

Ate you also pleased that Starmer's deal will completely unnecessarily cost the UK £34billion - more than half the annual schools’ budget?

And that he lied about it to parliament?

What exactly is the case for the Chagos deal? It seemed unfathomable at the time it was announced, but every new detail just makes it seem worse.