Are Scottish people worried about immigration in the same way that English people are?

[Grace040712]

Everyday, day time TV shows are filled with topics of immigrants but in my day to day life (living in Scotland) I don't notice immigrants, I don't feel they are stealing jobs or living off benefits any more than any other group in society. Perhaps it's just where I live but I'm interested, are Scottish people as concerned by immigration as they are down south?

There was a protest tonight outside an immigrant hotel in Aberdeen.

I find it odd when people ask on here "How many black people are in your friendship circle" etc. I say none because I don't even know or encounter any on a daily basis and I get shouted down "But you MUST know some" or hinting that I'm a racist.

To benefit the collective whole, they’d have to be net tax payers. The average wage in the U.K. is below the net tax payer level. With that in mind, do you think all immigration is benefiting the collective whole?

@RaraRachael

Half of the families in my block are black African, there is a significant population across the estate as a whole. This is an entirely recent development, and from speaking to them it seems most of them came here because they were granted visas to work in Care post-Brexit.

It's not unusual at all for white Scots to have no ethnic acquaintances, in fact, one person I know had never actually seen a black person in the flesh until they went to university at 18 years old, but I think that is rapidly going to change since we're no longer importing labour from the EU and most of these roles seem to be being filled by people from Africa and Asia.

All of the staff bar one in a relative's care home are African or Asian, again, all came her on visas post-Brexit.

Do you think these men in the hotels will ever earn enough to contribute to the economy?
The answer os no.
They will never not require government help to survive.
They will always cost the UK money, in every way, for every part of life.

And legal migrants who come to work in care and nursing will also never be net contributers. Each legal migrant can also bring in many dependents; children, elderly, disabled..all who need economic support.

I think it depends on which part of Scotland you're in and if it's a place that welcomes incomers or those less welcoming aye been Jock Tamsin bairns areas.

Guessing you don't live in Fife though? Some horrible stuff getting posted online about "The boat people"🙄.

Certainly the dependent families are a major issue.

OP, you live in the U.K. what are you even talking about with this easy to travel up comment? Your ‘them and us’ narrative about England and Scotland sounds naive and adds nothing helpful to a discussion about the impact a global issue has on a local tartan bubble. Even the thread title could do with amending to ‘people in different parts of the U.K. I say this as a ‘Scottish’ who doesn’t live there any more, but I’ve plenty of relatives outside of the central belt who would never quietly accept a local hotel housing migrants on their doorstep.

Yes, because personal taxation is not the only source of governmental income, and nor is it the only measure of whether or not an individual contributes to the betterment of their society.

If you have a job, you are contributing some sort of service. That employer either provides a service, or does so and also generates a profit. That employer pays tax, the business generates revenue, the service is presumably in demand and fulfils a need.

As I say, it's a nonsense that failure to provide adequate services is repeatedly blamed on immigration, because the more citizens you have, the more that should benefit your economy. Public service provision comes at a cost, good public service requires adequate taxation to pay for it. If there is "not enough money", the question which needs to be asked is why the government of the day, faced with public demands for better/more services, is refusing to appropriately tax individuals and businesses in order to provide that, especially when it's against the backdrop of a growing population, and therefore potentially greater income through economic participation.

As I said, it's an ideological choice not to adequately and appropriately tax, one of the consequences of that choice is that you have to cut your cloth appropriately. It disproportionately affects those who rely on public service the most, and yet those worst affected are gullible enough to accept being told by the very people who are not being adequately and appropriately taxed, that the real problem is Abdul who just came over on a small boat 😂

I mean they're not going to get a say in the matter.

It's long been treated as fact that diverse populations are good but it's going to be a wrench for Scotland moving from a largely homogeneous set of shared values (we have our scotes like everywhere but they're knowable scrotes) to something much more like Birmingham or Manchester. Honestly I'm not looking forward to being an old woman in the new world.

The answer os no

No, this is simply your completely unqualified answer, which, given that you haven't backed it up with any evidence whatsoever, can simply be disregarded.

Every study into immigration in the UK concludes that immigrants are, on average, higher net contributors to the economy than native individuals.

And legal migrants who come to work in care and nursing will also never be net contributers

Of course they are net contributors. You can not measure someone's value to the economy by simply looking at NI and PAYE contributions on their wage slips.

What the hell do you think they are actually doing in their care roles? What do you think is going to happen if we just revoke their visas?

I have worked in two of the most ethnically
diverse schools in Scotland. It really isn't an issue at all. I can't speak for England but I know that we have valued all cultures and we have created wonderful learning environments for all the children. Its something I am very proud to have been part of.

And just to add, I have been learning Bsl, Asl and singalong, so diverse isn't just about country of origin.

In Scotland, the high rate tax payers pay EVEN MORE than England. They are leaving.

More folk employed in public sector in Scotland than England. Meaning that no money is generated.

I can tell you favour socialism, but it doesn't work. Bring in people who take out of the money pile, then we have less money. It's nearly all gone.

England is on it's knees, and Scotland is following.

PS I love my monoculture

‘because the more citizens you have, the more that should benefit your economy’

It should definitely increase GDP but you can’t have an economy based on Deliveroo drivers, you will see a drop in the GDP per capita as a result of net non skilled immigration. It’s a fact.

I can tell you favour socialism, but it doesn't work

Well this is an extraordinary statement, considering that the countries with both the highest standards of living, and the highest rates of public happiness, are all an order of magnitude more socialist than the UK.

I'm not arguing otherwise. The visas being handed out causing the large bump in legal immigration are not being handed out to people coming here to deliver curries though. That's a whole other kettle of fish, and clearly the issue has been noticed as there is talk about companies of that ilk having their feet held to the fire.

How many turned up,I'm not on FB or the like.
These people don't speak for the majority of Aberdonians.
I'm more concerned about our city centre becoming like the wild west and the menace of county lines which is a real issue in Aberdeen.

No.

It is shit being the only kid with English as a first language, though.

It definitely does, I work in a GP practice in a deprived area of Glasgow and we are getting more and more people registering who have arrived on boats and quite a few who've had their claim for asylum refused and are appealing it.
Some days several of my appointments are double to incorporate interpreting services and it's having a big impact on the availability of housing.

Happy socialism in Europe?

Norway, very happy as the UK buys all their energy at massive mark ups. They have 5.5 mill....we have 65.5 mill population. They are not socialist...just rich.

Sweden has 50 people per sq km, we have 750.
We have 7 times the population. One reason they are happy...less people more space.

Sweden is not happy in urban areas. Sweden has the highest rape statistics in Europe.
Sweden had over 30 bombing this year.
Sweden has the highest ' crime index' in Europe.
Let's just say Sweden has changed.

Of what benefit exactly is this to the average British citizen? How do we need this?
There are so many examples of where we need immigrants - plenty of public sector roles are under-staffed, school rolls are dropping leading to schools closing etc. It’s about looking at the big picture and understanding that people will need support when they first enter the country but then go on to contribute to the economy long-term. We’ve seen this happen time and time again with every single wave of immigrants. Without immigrants, every school, hospital and police station in my local area would close.

I think any chat about immigration is much more reasonable and muted here largely because the type of people who would riot and raid Greggs are more focused on sectarianism and channeling their hatred that way.

I suppose you have to weigh up the pros and cons of wars that the UK government get involved with that partly result in asylum and immigration to the UK. Is the rape and pillage of other countries, and the weapons sales worth it in the end. Private housing costs are ridiculous. Temporary housing costs could be much cheaper given a bit of initiative, there's no need for homelessness in the UK. Plus it's plenty large enough to accommodate more people, we just need to get our priorities right. It's not a case of they are robbing Peter to pay Paul, we can care for our own, and care for those less fortunate that need help.

People aren't up in arms about the soaring rise in private rents, and general living costs, these are the outrageous burdens that people are enduring. Crap overpriced housing stock, that is barely fit for purpose that requires a mountain of cash to keep warm because again, housing is crap in Britain and the price of basics are high, due to a weak economy, shit pound etc etc.

Do you not think there’s a link between housing costs and 400 to 800k people arriving every year?