Actually Pro Immigration- Hear Me Out?

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I have always been, and will always be, pro immigrant, pro asylum seeker, and pro refugee. It saddens me that I seem to be in the vast minority these days, the lack of empathy from the general population of the UK in 2025 is disgraceful imo.

I chose as part of my career to support refugees, and it has opened my eyes even more every day. The tragedies these young people have gone through are unimaginable for anyone here, and the treatment they get when they arrive is appalling.

When illegal immigration is brought up in a political context, it is always devoid of humanity, vulnerable people spoken about like an invasive species. I implore anyone so far removed from the realities of ‘illegal’ immigrants, especially those who risked their lives to be here, to volunteer for a refugee charity.

These are children, overjoyed to learn simple words so they can make friends with our children in the playground. Teenagers, completely overwhelmed by food they’ve never seen before (like fish fingers!). Young families, so grateful to a country that wants them to ‘go back to where they come from’ even if they die there.

It’s heartbreaking, and it makes me sick. Every time I see the Reform lot, racists, and other bigots treating immigrants as the scapegoat, I can’t help but think of my little students, their families, and the stories they’ve told me of life before they arrived.

It baffles me how people can go on about ‘British values’ while showing absolutely no kindness to the people who need it most. What’s the point of this national pride if it’s built on cruelty and exclusion? I see so much ‘we need to look after our own first’ rhetoric, but why can’t we do both? Why does helping people fleeing war and persecution make you angry? Why is that your line in the sand?

If anyone else is feeling like this, works in this area, or has something to add I’d love to hear it. If you’re going to try and change my opinion, please save your energy ❤️

Changed my username for this one because I’m discussing my professional life and opinions rather than my family life. Long time user over several accounts. Thanks for reading, sorry if it’s a rant.

@Msmfailedusbad and @matresense have it exactly.

What the ruling classes don’t seem to grasp is that, although a few very visible and countable things like rape incidents and migrant hotels become flash points, with debate coalescing around them, for increasing numbers of people it’s not primarily about these things, or about whether or not immigrants are net contributors or filling gaps in the jobs market. For many it’s a powerful but much more nebulous sense of how their neighbourhood, and their daily experience of it, has changed fundamentally in character in a very short space of time.

When everything opened up again after the pandemic it was evident that there had been a large influx of immigrants from a few specific ethnic groups into my London suburb. For years the area had been diverse and largely peaceful, but this felt quite different; people now describe having to ‘run the gauntlet’ of the local high street past the loitering Deliveroo drivers and the groups of men (always solely men) hanging around outside cafes and staring. Female friends of mine now avoid swimming at the local leisure centre, especially in the evenings, as groups of men sit around the poolside and openly leer at them. Our school run along the nearby main road has become a hazardous obstacle course, as many of these men speed up and down in Audis and BMWs, mounting pavements, jumping lights and failing to stop for crossing schoolchildren - everyone notices, but no one seems to have any idea where they are all going. None of these groups mix, either with the ‘host community’ or with each other, and the whole town now feels like an airport lounge rather than a settled community - transient and atomised. There is no need for anyone to integrate because critical mass has been reached; the host culture is now a minority culture.

We don’t have a migrant hotel locally, and there haven’t been any high profile crime cases that I’m aware of (huge increases in lower level crimes though). But many people’s relationship with the place they call Home has changed for the worse, and they are understandably unhappy about it, and seeking an outlet for their discontent.

The title of the thread is "pro immigration - hear me out."

The discussion is about immigration.

This poster must think everyone is stupid.

Rudakubana was raised by Rwandan parents. Not Welsh parents. Was this relevant to his crime? Are we allowed to wonder if his parents experiences of a country where a catastrophic genocide took place affected them and how their child was raised? It would be a different experience from the average Welsh person. Apparently he was fixated on the genocide. Was this relevant to his attack? These are questions that can, have and should be reasonably asked. There are many people coming into the country from other countries where they will have experienced war and extreme violence. They may well react very differently to situations as a result. How will that affect their behavior here?

I think the poster is trying to close the Overton window: ie what we allow ourselves to question and discuss. But that doesn’t work any more..

I can find very little online about the Southport killer's parents, except that they are Rwandan. The police are very keen to emphasise that the killer himself was born in Cardiff, so they must have been here since then. But when did they move here and under what circumstances?

Did they experience the Rwandan genocide? How does surviving a genocide - or just a very violent society - affect a person, including their future family life?

Did they come as asylum seekers? We hear about the horrific experiences of many asylum seekers - that's the basis of claiming asylum. Can we expect higher than average levels of violence from the children of people who have experienced an extremely violent society prior to coming to the UK? Are we willing to absorb that increased risk to our own children?

This is part of the demographic change people are concerned about. That concern is reasonable. These questions are reasonable - and neither racist nor bigoted - and a 'Be kiiind' respons isn't enough any more..

Sorry, cross posted with @Quirkswork

The southport attack is absolutely relevant to the conversation on immigration.

Absolutely this ,those in their ivory towers seem to be missing this point

Exactly @TempsPerdu .

I think the next election will be a flashpoint as there will be a considerable number of MPs elected who will be representing constituents who have very different values and aims from the wider portion of the populace.

Some ultra liberals are caught in a top trumps of victimhood spiral that leaves women’s rights… nowhere. It seems men’s right to hiss and leer at passing girls is cultural and therefore squashes all complaints.

Was horrified at what happened to Jess Phillips at the last election she was pretty rattled too.

You are being far too black and white about this. The vast majority of people from every country on the planet are decent people. Everyone deserves a good life. My heart breaks for these immigrants and what they have endured. However, the answer is not for everyone who lives in a country where there is war, poverty, prejudice, sexism, homophobia etc to all come and live here. I completely understand why they come here, in their situation I would do the same, and I sympathise enormously. But Britain is not a charity, it is our home.

Also, I live in one of the poorest area in the country and the effect mass immigration has had on this area is devastating. However, I have family who live in wealthy areas in the south east and it’s not affected them whatsoever. I think people’s opinions on this are hugely affected by where they live. Because migrants are usually dumped in poor or working class areas, if residents complain or protest they are sneered at by the elites who detest working class people and labelled as uneducated scum.

In case anyone thinks I am massively right wing, I have to say that I like Yvette Cooper. I think she is basically decent and competent. Whilst I don’t think she has to share the views of her husband, I think from reading between the lines in his podcast that she’d like to do more. She has two issues though: 1) she has a Pm who claims that he’s been elected to do real change but lacks courage and vision for anything genuinely hard politically and basically thinks that good governance is just about making small technocratic and bureaucratic tweaks and hoping they add up; 2) if she did actually get the reins to make real changes, her majority is so thin in a multicultural demographic that she’d find it hard to get re elected in her constituency (to be clear, I think she would do the right thing if she could, but it illustrates the issue - she is in the same camp as Wes streeting and Jess Phillips)

Jess Phillips was interviewed after what happened at the election she was really shaken and shocked. Large groups of Muslim men from her constituency shouting and screaming at her aggressively. Terrifying. Was my first red flag that something was going wrong here.

The Corbyn Sultana breakaway party is already running into trouble as the left wingers ask the conservative muslims who have always just used Labour for their own ends if they support LGBTQ rights, which of course they are now explaining they don't.

They are finding out they just useful idiots.

There are some massive snobs on the left. Ironic really.

A perfectly lovely young man who has claimed asylum here was found with child abuse and bestiality photos on his phone. He has been let off. Clearly a great asset to this country.

@MaturingCheeseball that is a particular great newsflash today and had to be provided with an interpreter all paid by tax payers money

What on earth is going on with the UK?

How does posession of category A images of child sexual abuse and bestiality not result in jail time?!? Is this 'contextual' sentencing, aka two tier justice?

Why is an asylum seeker found with such images given 150 hours of work (!!!) instead of being immediately deported. We have no obligation to accept criminals who make our country less safe for our children.

That's horrendous.

And am I reading it correctly that him working at a hotel was used in his defence, even though asylum seekers aren't allowed to work? The article wasn't clear, but it's un-fucking-believable enough to be true.

I dont care. About any of them. Boatloads of fit, economic migrants, from counties where they in no danger whatever. Imbued, in many cases, with the attitudes to women their own cultures / religion propagate. This country is headed for serious insurrection unless a governing party starts to take the issue seriously. I. Don't. Care. about their shitty countries, or their shitty individual circumstances. And no guilt tripping about history or colonialism will ever change my mind. Not my problem. Not my countries problem.

Many of them unfortunately don't apply their repressed sexual attitudes towards women from their own country to women from this country. Women here are fair game remember. I expect that's why a fair few young men have come here.

I think we should move the capital from London to York. London is now 65% non English. Your opinions?

@ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm i don’t care either I cdnt give one fuck about any of their countries I just care about what’s happening in mine and it absolutely terrifies me. My son finishes uni next year and he’s gone I’m pushing him out to see everything he can get him
out of this mess it’s an absolute dump