Actually Pro Immigration- Hear Me Out?

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I have always been, and will always be, pro immigrant, pro asylum seeker, and pro refugee. It saddens me that I seem to be in the vast minority these days, the lack of empathy from the general population of the UK in 2025 is disgraceful imo.

I chose as part of my career to support refugees, and it has opened my eyes even more every day. The tragedies these young people have gone through are unimaginable for anyone here, and the treatment they get when they arrive is appalling.

When illegal immigration is brought up in a political context, it is always devoid of humanity, vulnerable people spoken about like an invasive species. I implore anyone so far removed from the realities of ‘illegal’ immigrants, especially those who risked their lives to be here, to volunteer for a refugee charity.

These are children, overjoyed to learn simple words so they can make friends with our children in the playground. Teenagers, completely overwhelmed by food they’ve never seen before (like fish fingers!). Young families, so grateful to a country that wants them to ‘go back to where they come from’ even if they die there.

It’s heartbreaking, and it makes me sick. Every time I see the Reform lot, racists, and other bigots treating immigrants as the scapegoat, I can’t help but think of my little students, their families, and the stories they’ve told me of life before they arrived.

It baffles me how people can go on about ‘British values’ while showing absolutely no kindness to the people who need it most. What’s the point of this national pride if it’s built on cruelty and exclusion? I see so much ‘we need to look after our own first’ rhetoric, but why can’t we do both? Why does helping people fleeing war and persecution make you angry? Why is that your line in the sand?

If anyone else is feeling like this, works in this area, or has something to add I’d love to hear it. If you’re going to try and change my opinion, please save your energy ❤️

Changed my username for this one because I’m discussing my professional life and opinions rather than my family life. Long time user over several accounts. Thanks for reading, sorry if it’s a rant.

You must have some lively discussions!

This is such a perfect synopsis.

Well apart from the rape gang comments. Ignoring the issue that an awful lot of men coming in from particular countries don't treat women here as they should do is what is fueling the anti immigrant feeling. We just need to be honest. No more bullshit please.

Arguments put forward here are out of date - maybe by about 3-5 years . People now have run out of patience. ESP I would say since Southport , they join the dots to the endless boat crossings , attacks on prison guards , full prisons , town centres with visible migrant hotels , suspicious barber shops everywhere , kids being assaulted in Epping , higher than ever taxes , worse public services , mortgage rates up , energy costs up, cultural cohesion concerns where the Brits are always the ones to compromise — see also the concept now of two tier justice.
no amount of ‘but xyz stats’ / aren't I a clever liberal is going to change people’s minds.
Wake up.

Southport, the horrific attack that caused huge riots against immigrants but wasn’t committed by an immigrant, that Southport?

I will say at this point that I am not saying I’m in favour of unchecked immigration, there needs to be a proper working system and if people are arriving here expecting to take with nothing to give (aside from genuine refugees and people fleeing war torn countries) then that of course is apocalyptic for the economy. But citing things like the Southport atrocity does absolutely nothing to enhance your argument & only serves to show how damaging it is to jump to conclusions. I totally get the anger, I get the fear, but the answer is not just shutting the borders entirely and isolating a whole demographic of people.

Is Rwanda is a county of Wales?

Whats the point you’re trying to make here? Genuinely interested. Are we extending it to all second generation immigrants from Christian countries? And if so are we then condemning all second generation immigrants & Christians for the act of one evil, deranged lunatic?

It?
What is the "it" you are asking if we are extending?

The nature of this response proves exactly the points of my original post. You jump on one thing and try to discredit the whole. I am not intimidated by this.
I stated that I think the mood music has changed since around the Southport incident , but is due to a wider range of contributory factors , some of which I said in my original post. See also grooming gangs, which I didn’t mention, but another poster mentioned.
I mix in professional , well heeled circles, recently I have noticed that people are now very forthright in their concerns and will not mince their words. No matter what ‘do gooders’ say.

You are the person bringing up an attack completely unrelated to immigration. My point is that the whole movement is discredited by people rioting against immigrants and attacking mosques - as I said, I understand the anger etc - but to quote Southport as a reference point makes a mockery of the argument, as the outpouring of anger, the way it was undertaken & who it targeted was completely unrelated to who actually committed the attack.

”it” is the point you’re trying to make, which you haven’t explained, and how it ties in with the Southport attack?

But again, you jump on one thing , and make no reference to the other points in my post. Are they relevant to peoples concerns or not????

Because that part is so obtuse, it’s impossible to reference something so wildly unrelated, use that as part of your reasoning and then not understand why people aren’t understanding your point. I’m not being difficult, I just can’t see how Southport comes into it?

there are relevant concerns there, of course, I can absolutely see how people have joined the dots, but what I find so sad is that actually some of these things have absolutely nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with greedy companies profiteering hugely from the working classes and then pitching us against each other.

Maybe it didn’t directly, but the mood music seemed to change around then . See also the concept of ‘two tier’ justice and the perception of that. So now what have you got to say about the other concerns raised in my post and
more widely on this thread …. are they legitimate or not? I’ll not hold my breath.

It certainly highlighted the fear and anger absolutely. With regards to the rest of the post I do get it, there is so much fear, so much distress and anger and feeling as though British people are being left behind which we are, but it’s not all at the hands of immigrants, we need to look to our appalling government and successive government for the reasons we are in such a shit state. They pitch poor against poor and rub their hands whilst we all fight amongst ourselves for the scraps they throw us. It is all so sad and the whole system is broken.

@Msmfailedusbadme too. To be honest, I do have friends who I would self censor with (generally they work in charities and in the public sector) and would pretend I agree with their views so as not to horrify them, but I am getting to the point where I would vote Reform if it was most effective on this issue and I know lots of people who do feel the same.

i disagree that it’s just about resources - i mean, resources are part of it and I think that the reality is that there are a lot of lower income immigrants that we need to stop coming legally as we cannot afford to pretend that it’s sustainable to let lots of people not work for softer health conditions or work part time with minimal work conditions and import people who will never become net contributors. And we cannot support all of the people who would come as asylum seekers, let alone those who quite obviously are economic migrants (Ethiopia is not an unsafe country, for example). I also don’t think it is sane to offer safe passage to someone just because they say they are gay or convert to supposedly being Christian to avoid deportation. I’m afraid that our country is in a debt spiral that it may not now come out of.

But aside from resources, it’s also about what happens when you live in a place that now has under occupied young men lolling around on benches looking at teenage girls, at what happens when you get dirty looks for not being modest, at what happens when there’s a part of the community that is not interested in sharing your values. At what happens when those who are barely affected by it or are so hung up on virtue pretend that the only people with a culture worthy of any respect are the new arrivals. This is now happening in too many places. Show me an asylum seeker who is coming to Britain for the values that we have rather than the money we provide - it’s unfortunately not the standard case (I have done pro bono asylum work and it made me very cynical).

Honestly, if you’re left leaning you should fear this the most. Look who Wes Streeting (probably the most competent member of the cabinet) nearly got defeated by. The concerns of one community of faith will start to dictate leftist and centrist politics far more very soon. They already are to a degree - why is cousin marriage not banned already? There’s no sane liberal case for it - it produces children with terrible disabilities, it often results in vulnerable women being brought over and basically imprisoned at home, it impedes integration. Why?

This is spot on.

After the attack at Southport , my children’s school has had to have a lockdown drill. Primary school children , having to hide under desks in a setting with a lone wolf or hostile group. As a parent and the whole community, this is heartbreaking and unconscionable. That kind of thing happening in an affluent area in a north west backwater , with a low crime rate is unheard of. People remember it, and they talk .
Now they are emboldened and will more freely share their views. We now have dodgy shops in our local towns , some of which have been raided, and also a prominent migrant hotel nearby, at huge cost to taxpayers. In our small town , people loiter aimlessly dining the day. Noticed, no doubt, by the working Community paying more and more tax to fund this.
I think we are moving to a low trust society. I see it in the people o speak to - worry about their children’s futures, no faith in the system, no longer proud taxpayers. A fair few are emigrating, and others will openly talk about the steps they are taking to more aggressively tax plan.

The ‘be kind brigade’ do themselves no favours by pretending to be hard of thinking on this. Challenging aspects of and argument and then trying to discredit the whole is the new modus operandi. This is a slightly weakened position as it used to be an outright ‘bigot/ gammon/ racist accusation. Now the middle classes are openly discussing these issues and we can no longer ignore the dire economic circumstances. The country is borrowing money for the state largesse and we don’t seem to ask anything from these newcomers in return - not cultural assimilation, not net economic contribution, not social assimilation and adoption of values.

This post and the one you’re replying to have both nailed it, succinctly and speak for the average person. The virtue signalling lefties would shout “bigot, racist” to try and silence people, but thankfully petty name calling doesn’t work now and these issues within society are more openly discussed and rightly so, but if they aren’t allowed to be voiced that creates the perfect storm for civil unrest and nobody wants that.

Those in charge need to listen to their electorate and do what’s right by them.l first and foremost

Nothing stopping you getting on a train into parts of London, Slough,Bradford -there’s no shortage of areas with large foreign influx. Just go.

I just wish people had got angry earlier - it started with Blair

i live in Gloucestershire and three weeks ago two primaries went into lockdown I only know because my builders son goes to one school and there was an email it was due to a machete carrying clown. Worst thing there has been a total media blackout on it locally who knows what happened but every week we are having more non speaking English enrolling their kids at the local schools. Cheltenham once the pride of Glossy Glos is an absolute dump Mike Ashley bought Cavandish house and now it’s a dump. My friend counted 25 sleeping bags.tents in the high st are you joking !

The only aspect of your argument that was challenged was what the Southport murders had to do with the discussion, which you still haven’t answered. You say your local primary school has had to practise lockdown, which is horrible to consider, but I’m just not seeing the correlation between the extra security measures following a horrific unprovoked attack on children and immigration. Surely it is no different to the tightening of school security after Dunblance or the introduction of CRB checks following the Ian Huntley case? What is it about the Southport case that means you keep referring to it within this particular discussion?

No, the opposite is true, it is you who is fixated on Southport . It could well be a Southport type incident and fear of recurrence. Trying to minimise the fear people are feeling , now that we are moving to a low trust society . I have already explained the wider context of the two tier issue and the feeling that the mood music changed.
To summarise , the chattering classes on many areas are now feeling that the government is not on their side and this is happening in loads of conversations nationally. Hence this thread and the spike in the Reform vote.