Corbyn announces Your Party

[noblegiraffe]

His new political party with Zarah Sultana.

Except it doesn't appear to even have a name and now Zarah Sultana is having to go around twitter correcting journalists saying it's not called Your Party, while not actually clarifying what it is called.

I'm sure it will be extremely well organised.

OK, you win Mumsnet Non Sequitur Of The Year award.

You can put it on the shelf next to your Garbled Logic trophy for garden tax.

I'm sorry that you don't recognise a very strong but carefully worded diplomatic statement when you see one. 🤷‍♀️ perhaps you are more used to protest banners.

The claim that you called untrue was that he hadn't "condemned" them. Which he hasn't.

I'm sorry that you don't recognise an idiotically inconsistent argument based on willy nilly moving of goalposts when you make one.

If you don't see that statement as a condemnation of Israel's actions in Gaza then we must simply disagree on that one.

Yes, and that's a good thing.

There's a commonly held fallacy that the answer to every political question is moderation, that our political system somehow rewards that and that anybody challenging it is a deluded idealist.

This is of course weaponised highly selectively, and primarily against the left. Nobody denies Farage's effectiveness at getting his particular extremist talking points to the highest levels of government policy. And of course everybody ignores the fact that by far the most effective, history-changing politician over the longest timespan in living memory didn't give a toss about people hating her. She simply energised and motivated a consistent 30-40% of the electorate to keep voting for her and allowed our ridiculous sham of an electoral system to do the rest.

The right will always do whatever it needs to do to neuter the left. The left can compromise and be "grown up" till the cows come home, like Starmer, and it will never be enough. Or it can refuse to compromise and stand up for an alternative, like Corbyn, and it will be ridiculed. Both are just a way of saying that the right owns the narrative.

The whole reason we have such a useless nothingness of a government right now, that manages to please almost noone, is that it ran and was voted in on precisely that basis. Do nothing that will offend any vested interests, copy the right's rhetoric (eg on immigration) and hope that being less shamelessly corrupt than the Tories will be enough. The only real question is why anybody expected anything else.

Noone has to vote for this party if they don't like it, but I want to have a party to vote for that represents my views, not one that condescendingly tells me that those views (most of which are hardly extreme) have no place even in public debate because the billionaire press have deemed it so.

I will say one thing though: Anyone who thinks moderate, "grown up" cooperation and compromise with the powers that be is the answer to climate change, rising authoritarianism or snowballing wealth inequality, is far more deluded than Jeremy Corbyn ever was.

Ah, my post detailing how antisemitism in the Labour Party was not a tactic of lies but in fact something I witnessed myself has been deleted. @noblegiraffe

I think you're building up your part a bit here. The deleted post that you say was "detailing antisemitism in the Labour party", didn't do so. It simply mentioned how you were horrified by some MSM posts. A very different thing.

Perhaps you can now detail the antisemitism in the labour party.

You went on to say;

It's not a fucking tactic of lies, it's the truth. And Corbyn, who claims to be antiracist said that the report was overblown. What a hero.

Very brave of you to make the statement " it's the truth". Let's just accept that there are some Jewish people who believe that he was/is antisemitic and presided over a party riddled with antisemitism, and that there are other Jewish people ( include myself in them) who believe that the story was overblown.
Good shabbos.

Who are the rich?

I voted Green at the last election. I couldn't vote Labour again (I did in 2017 and 2019) because I was, and am, horrified by the Labour government's complicity with the genocide in Gaza. Because I was upset by Kier Starmer's authoritarian treatment of anyone on the left of the party, including Diane Abbott, and especially Faiza Shaheen, who ended up standing as an independent.
I'm not a 'far-left wanker'. I believe in a fairer society, where everyone is afforded the dignity of a decent life - a home, an education, good healthcare etc. I want my taxes to fund these things, not wars. It's not radical or extreme. Jeremy Corbyn's policies when he was Labour leader weren't far-left. Just normal social democracy. The UK has become so right-wing, that people think normal social democracy is far left.
No way on Earth could I vote Labour now - the situation in Gaza is horrific, and the government is utterly complicit. The two child benefit policy, scrapping of winter fuel allowance for most pensioners, and changes to PIP, have left me reeling. It's not a left-wing government at all.
I hope The Green Party and JC's new party can work together, and really do see it as our last chance in a generation for Britain to become a fairer and more humane society again. I know I'm not alone.

I'm not Jewish.

And I know what I saw. I suspect you didn't actually look into it.

Then maybe someone who has been brought up as Jewish, and who has always been made aware of Antisemitism, and who has spent decades observing it and who's family has been affected by it, is in a better position to identify it than some of the Antisemite-finder generals that seemed to spring up when Corbyn was made leader of the Labour party.

Oh you really didn't look into it, did you?

I don’t believe you are sorry. His age has no relevance, and the term cantankerous is often used to insult older adults.

I think you may well be ageist, but perhaps have not recognised this in yourself. I hope you can reflect on this and begin to understand ageism is discrimination, and it is as unacceptable as racism, sexism etc.

Well he'll be 80 when the next general election happens and I'm sure his age isn't relevant at all.

@noblegiraffe Oof. Attempting to school a Jewish person on antisemitism is not a good look.

Lots of Jewish people, including MPs left the Labour Party over its poor handling of antisemitism. Are you denying their lived experience? Tut tut.

Besides, I did not dispute the PP’s ability to spot antisemitism, I’m sure they can. Which is why I suggested that they hadn’t actually looked into the problem in Labour rather than saying that they wouldn’t recognise antisemitism if it bit them on the arse like I said about Corbyn.

I don’t believe Starmer is condemning genocide, no. It’s a lot of words but no declaration of action when Israel blocks aid.

Yes the last 14 years were a stunning success weren't they?

A collapse in nhs dental services, in hospital waiting lists, in road mtce, the terrible waste of money that HS2 has proven to be.. 28billion and the leg to Birmingham allowed to run up costs now estimated to be 100 billion....... for 135miles of track....

Cut mtce on public buildings, inc schools and hospitals... even when they started to fall in on staff/patients and pupils....
Slashed defence spend...at a time when Russia became a clear threat to European security.

Oh and lets see how they managed the water industry shall we???

The Tories really couldn't organise a piss up in brewery.

But all ok with the right wing, who still think that the wealthy need to keep even more of their money.

Thankfully though your party? is what? 14 or 15% in the polls and on track to be destroyed in the next election, the sooner the better.

The Tories are not in government, your lot are.

Scorched earth, my friend. Be prepared to be poorer financially, to suffer life’s frustrations with public ‘services’, to have to deal with increased crime and social ‘cohesion’, and daily microaggressions because people are generally fucked off with it all.

Not everyone will get through the next four years - I hope that you are fit and healthy, and have financial reserves, and a significant amount of resilience….you are going to need it.

Correct.
I wonder how long supporters are going to eke out this excuse before admitting that, although there was undoubtedly issues left behind, Labour aren't doing anything to make the situation any better.

Yes the Tories certainly "Scorched the earth" that is the UK.

I note you don't deny any of the shite show the Tories preceded over?

Whether Labour will put any of it right? i don't know, but i do love the way you lot wash your hands of what you ve done to this country, with a "Your lot in now ha ha "

I'll be ok, so don't you worry about me, after all i've survived the nightmare of the your party and the frequent loss of social cohesion we 've had over the last 14 years.

If you're launching a new party, you'd think step one would be having a name sorted. Makes it hard to take seriously when no one even knows what to call it.

Issues left behind??? one way of putting it i suppose!!!

Very difficult to do with the NI cuts, costing 10bn pa to fund, Compensation scandals and Defence spend increases..... i wish Labour had reversed them.. but politically?

I truly don’t give a shit about previous Tory governments, because I don’t live in the past - you should try moving on too - it’s really quite cathartic.

I shall however sleep more peacefully, secure in the knowledge that you are prepped for what is coming from this of bunch of liars, incompetents and cry babies.

Matt nails it.

Nails purposely spreading misinformation, sure. The purpose is to be party member led, but of course anti Corbyn propaganda knows this.