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This migrant problem is going to let Reform in isn’t it?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 12:33

Honestly it’s such a bloody nightmare. Reform are making a total hash of local government from what I’ve read, putting teenagers in charge of whole departments with no relevant experience. What are they going to do if they are elected to run a country!!!! I’m honestly terrified. Labour need to be seen to be actively doing something to quell the far-right momentum that’s gaining traction from ordinary folk. I’m amazed at the average, usually pretty sensible people around me who are now telling me they are going to vote Reform.

there was an interview I saw yesterday where the minister said that thousands of people were being deported regularly. The interviewer asked why there were no videos of this and she said there could be. Well let’s see it! It would absolutely help.

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justasking111 · 24/07/2025 14:36

BettyBlackbird · 24/07/2025 14:13

In their constiuencies Reform are now local government aren't they?

Only recently though.

GreenGully · 24/07/2025 14:36

Illjusthavethebreadsticks · 24/07/2025 14:11

Precisely. ‘Terrified’ of Reform really OP. I‘’m more terrified of the state of the county currently.

Pretty sure I'm not looking over my shoulder for Nigel Farage when I go to a cash machine! I'm almost certain it isn't Lee Anderson catcalling me in the street.

Absentmindedsmile · 24/07/2025 14:43

WitchesofPainswick · 24/07/2025 14:34

Reform voters: What do you think Reform will do, that Labour aren't doing? (Specifically - because all the vague 'send back the boats' stuff doesn't make sense: they can't really police the 300 miles of southern British coastline?)

(Also chuckling at the Reform voters who are looking to move abroad, hmmm)

Australia managed it somehow..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_boats

ABC News Fact Check determined that the promise to "stop the boats" had been delivered on 30 April 2015, when only one boat had arrived in 18 months,[3] after 300 had arrived in 2013.[1]

Stop the boats - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_boats

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 14:48

Our visitors this weekend are from Leeds. They're Following local FB pages local girls and students are just vanishing off the face of the earth. No witnesses. Desperate families putting up posters. Local news, absolute radio silence.

Even a local young man in police training didn't warrant a mention when he vanished.

Honestly it's chilling how bad it's got in this city and no-one is talking publicly.

Meadowfinch · 24/07/2025 14:52

Given that Labour has systematically alienated the NHS, pensioners, rural communities, those in receipt of disability benefit, and employers, plus anyone trying to make their budget stretch, yes, probably.

If the Tories come out with a clear set of calm and sensible policies, change their leader and silence their nuttier members (most of whom have defected to Reform anyway), they might just be able to force a coalition govt or hung parliament.

WitchesofPainswick · 24/07/2025 14:55

Absentmindedsmile · 24/07/2025 14:43

Australia managed it somehow..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_boats

ABC News Fact Check determined that the promise to "stop the boats" had been delivered on 30 April 2015, when only one boat had arrived in 18 months,[3] after 300 had arrived in 2013.[1]

This was done with overseas island detention centres. Where would ours be?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 14:55

Nchangeo · 24/07/2025 14:22

I am glad you have had no issues. That is what people want.

There is a difference to the general population. They are resident usually. As in the community and the local police usually know who the wronguns are.

These hotels are transitory by nature. I dont think you can compare tbh. You have no idea who you are living next to one day to the next. Whether they are the same risk profile as your neighbours is highly debatable tbh. Incidence of conviction of a sexual crime in the British population is something like 2 out of every 10,000. It can go up to 50 for some nationalities.

Do you want to give a descriptor of your area? As in rural, town, etc. Perhaps you have found a good location and people can learn from this in locating more hotels.

Our male migrant hotel is c. 180 men in a village of 2000. There have been no sexual assaults thankfully. There is however constant unhappiness at the migrants. They have nothing to do except sit in the park. Which is next to the school. You often have 20 or so but can have 50 plus sometimes.

The kids cant use the play park as people dont feel comfortable letting them out alone. They no longer walk to school alone. And reports have been made on occasion about men standing outside school gates watching children. (Thankfully not recently so hoping these men have been moved on).

These men could just be watching the world go by. They have absolutely nothing to do. But I am not going to sit here and say people must ignore any gut feeling or feeling of intimidation, ‘be kind’, etc. If they want to be concerned then thats their feeling. And if they want to protest if one of the children is attacked then I am not going to judge that. I would want the hotel gone too.

It's a small town.

And yes, the young men often have nothing to do. It is really bad for their mental health, but unfortunately, they are not allowed to work. We could fix that if we wanted to.

I used to work with the young asylum seekers living locally. My young adult volunteered with them for an extended period as well. Neither she nor I ever had any bad experiences... the young men were nothing but polite and respectful, even though my dd was young and very pretty. Many of them had experienced a horrific amount of trauma, and they just wanted to rebuild their lives in a safe place. They didn't present a risk to anyone, really.

I do completely understand people being distressed and angry about a teenager being sexually assaulted, of course, but the only the perpetrator is responsible for that. It isn't fair to blame all the other asylum seekers who have done nothing wrong.

twistyizzy · 24/07/2025 14:56

Well Corbyn has just launched his new party so that will fracture Labour Party and especially the unions = funding.
Interesting times ahead.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 14:56

TopPocketFind · 24/07/2025 13:14

How is that different to being a Reform voter?

That comment doesn’t help does it? You are sweeping me into a far right bracket because I am a conservative voter. All that does is push people who are politically pretty middle leaning into a far right position which is what is happening all over social media.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 15:00

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 13:27

Pierce the boats - if young men are swimming out to the boat then why cant the French police do this. Or why cant the UK provide some people to man the beaches.

The digusting scenes I saw a few weeks ago with young men pushing young children out of the way to get onto a boat. Shame on them. They then just disappear into the black economy. We have a number of car washes and nail bars. None have closed down, there is no appetite to do it so its just left.

The RNLI will not stop helping the migrant boats as that’s literally what their job is - saving lives or preventing the loss of life. The French have no interest in preventing the launching of ships filled with young men as it takes them away from France. The only reason the camps used to exist on French soil was because we were part of the EU and had an agreement with them. Directly we left the EU we terminated this relationship and they were literally just waving them through. I think we now pay France to do something but I don’t know what.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 15:02

scalt · 24/07/2025 14:18

I think it's a GOOD thing that Reform have the very limited chance to dabble in local government now - they will hopefully show that they are no good. Let them fail. Let them show their true colours. Better to find out now. If Farage wins power, he will probably make the massive thieves and criminals Boris Johnson and Tony Blair look like gentlemen. I don't think Reform are the magic bullet people think they are; and if they gain power, the magic bullet will shoot the people who voted for it.

Much as I despise all politicians and government, I think Labour are the least of all available evils right now. They are the closest thing we have to "adults" in charge; and after Boris Johnson, I don't trust anybody who promises miracles, which is what Farage is doing. Labour are not good at communicating what they are doing right, and they don't have the Tory press on their side. They were given a very, very shitty situation to put right, and they were not promising miracles. To me, any politician promising miracles is a huge red flag.

A headline in the Express said a couple of days ago "Farage promises: three strikes, and it's jail for life" (I saw the headline, didn't read the article). That's exactly the soundbite that appeals to his right-wing Daily Mail readers as they froth over their morning cornflakes. It's an ideology that I used to support, but the reality is far more nuanced than that, especially as we have so few prison places that we have to keep letting criminals out, and I don't think Farage is going to woo his voters with "I'm going to invest billions not in the NHS (let the ill die instead), but in Titan jails, with generous salaries to tempt officers to work in them."

Farage is a disruptor: he says radical things to make the government change their tune, but isn't really offering a credible alternative. I think people sometimes vote for disruptors to show the government the red card, thinking that whoever they vote for isn't going to win... and then it's a shock if they do. I think some people voted Brexit simply to show their indignation for government bureaucracy in general, or immigration in general, not expecting it to win, and were stunned when it did. Maybe even Farage wasn't expecting it.

Did you see the press that Farage was apparently talking about sending our worst criminals to reside in El Salvadorian jails? How the hell does he think he’s going to make that happen?!!! Its completely bizarre.

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Bluebellwood129 · 24/07/2025 15:06

LlynTegid · 24/07/2025 14:13

Reform will not have a majority in 2026 in the Scottish Parliament or the Senedd in Wales, because of the PR voting system. Nor gain control of any councils in London. So unlike this year's local elections, there will not be a momentum.

If an election is outside the summer months, the weather is such that small boats are less likely to be crossing and so the visibility less.

Largest party in 2029 possible, not an overall majority.

Farage is creating momentum everywhere. To downplay the risk from Reform is ridiculous

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 15:07

Meadowfinch · 24/07/2025 14:52

Given that Labour has systematically alienated the NHS, pensioners, rural communities, those in receipt of disability benefit, and employers, plus anyone trying to make their budget stretch, yes, probably.

If the Tories come out with a clear set of calm and sensible policies, change their leader and silence their nuttier members (most of whom have defected to Reform anyway), they might just be able to force a coalition govt or hung parliament.

I agree with this. If Tories promise

To reverse inheirtance tax on farms (does anyone really want parts of our beautiful farms owned by Russians or the Chinese?)

Put back the WFA. It will cost tons to implement if they try and means test. Make it clear why means testing doesnt really cost in

Stop robbing pensions and their tax benefits because you will discourage people from setting up in the first place. In the end the state will end up supporting you!

Stop the war on business. Not all business is big corporates. Small businesses like hairdressers and pubs have been stabbed in the back by increase in NI and NMW.

Have a root and branch review of who exactly is assessing the small boats arrivals. How many people are actually working on this? Why are we allowing so many compared to say Spain to stay? Review this. Is it just that its easier to say yes as opposed to allowing endless appeals. Once the decision is made no appeals. Just have a robust process. If you dont have an ID. Just why? What are you trying to hide? FFS - dont just take their word for where they are from? Its an accident waiting to happen.

Put them on boats around the coast of England. The visa issue regarding bringing in members of the family has made a reasonable dent (done by the Conservatives). That has gone virtually unnoticed by the media

Allow tourists to claim VAT back. It wont be on everything but they will be spending in our hotels and restaurants etc.

Review the NHS with a cross party group. Stop messing around with this. Look at a a co payment system. Other EU countries do perfectly well with this Streeting for all his talk in opposition is making a pigs ear of it and his negotiation skills are clearly as good as my elderly dog's!

Reduced MH benefits for young people (I know - I have my tin hat!) but we cannot carry on like this

Remove the Triple Lock. I know - I can hear the howls of some who say the State Pension is the only thing some people are living off. If I was being harsh I would say what have those people been doing for the last 40 years? Where is their private pension?

BettyBlackbird · 24/07/2025 15:09

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 14:36

Only recently though.

But plenty of time to see what they can achieve. Or not.

Cattenberg · 24/07/2025 15:11

Plinkyplink · 24/07/2025 14:22

That’s not true. We need to reform (pun not intended!) public services. There is an absolutely extraordinary amount of waste in public services - streamline it, get rid of useless red tape and bureaucracy and plough that money back into the front line services.

I have worked for at least three public sector organisations (depends how you count them as some have merged)! We've had re-organisation after re-organisation, each resulting in at least 90 redundancies. I've seen departments merge, whole organisations merge, jobs evaluated, regraded, or changed beyond recognition, new organisational structures created by expensive management consultants... you name it, they've tried it. Needless to say, most of the "nice to have" non-statutory services were cut years ago.

Many local authorities can no longer no longer make ends meet. Not due to financial mismanagement, but mainly because the model of social care funding simply doesn't work. Local authorities have complex statutory obligations regarding social services and the demand has increased enormously over the last few years (mainly due to an ageing population and an increase in those with complex care needs). Council incomes haven't increased by enough to cover this and selling their assets will merely buy them some time. I've also heard many anecdotes of family members being pressured to become full-time carers, even though this would force them to give up their own jobs and rely on Carer's Allowance.

The crisis in social care funding is impacting on the NHS, which was already struggling. Some of the waiting lists are unacceptable and in our area at least, urgent referrals for patients with suspected cancer are no longer on the "two-week-pathway" but a new "28-day-pathway". Also, our local hospital is in a poor state and has needed rebuilding for decades. Successive governments have agreed, but the money has never materialised.

I think we should have discussions about the kind of public services we want. For example, do we want the "Ryanair model" (as I heard proposed by management consultants), whereby taxes are low, and statutory services are extremely limited, but all "extras" are expensive and must be paid for privately? Or do we want the model of high tax but excellent public services favoured by the Nordic Countries?

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 15:13

Bluebellwood129 · 24/07/2025 15:06

Farage is creating momentum everywhere. To downplay the risk from Reform is ridiculous

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But it is absolutely true that Reform won't get a majority in Wales next year. Not unless its share of the vote soars to at least 45%. Under current polling, Reform wouldn’t even secure a majority via coalition with the Welsh Tories.

The local by-election in Wales last week saw Reform come third, btw.

I am not playing down the threat from Reform, but I think we need to keep calm.

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 15:14

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 15:00

The RNLI will not stop helping the migrant boats as that’s literally what their job is - saving lives or preventing the loss of life. The French have no interest in preventing the launching of ships filled with young men as it takes them away from France. The only reason the camps used to exist on French soil was because we were part of the EU and had an agreement with them. Directly we left the EU we terminated this relationship and they were literally just waving them through. I think we now pay France to do something but I don’t know what.

The rnli are getting paid for these rescues by the government. It wouldn't be possible otherwise

Absentmindedsmile · 24/07/2025 15:16

@WitchesofPainswick That was one aspect of it I think, it was a multi pronged approach. Seemed to work from the stats. I’m no expert.

Use France since they’re the ones who wave people through in the first place. Brittany have lots of space… Corsica.. Scottish highlands.. loads of islands up there..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sovereign_Borders

Operation Sovereign Borders - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sovereign_Borders

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 15:16

PandoraSocks · 24/07/2025 15:13

But it is absolutely true that Reform won't get a majority in Wales next year. Not unless its share of the vote soars to at least 45%. Under current polling, Reform wouldn’t even secure a majority via coalition with the Welsh Tories.

The local by-election in Wales last week saw Reform come third, btw.

I am not playing down the threat from Reform, but I think we need to keep calm.

I admit to being surprised when Port Talbot voted Labour again after the furore with their steel works.

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 15:19

Cattenberg · 24/07/2025 15:11

I have worked for at least three public sector organisations (depends how you count them as some have merged)! We've had re-organisation after re-organisation, each resulting in at least 90 redundancies. I've seen departments merge, whole organisations merge, jobs evaluated, regraded, or changed beyond recognition, new organisational structures created by expensive management consultants... you name it, they've tried it. Needless to say, most of the "nice to have" non-statutory services were cut years ago.

Many local authorities can no longer no longer make ends meet. Not due to financial mismanagement, but mainly because the model of social care funding simply doesn't work. Local authorities have complex statutory obligations regarding social services and the demand has increased enormously over the last few years (mainly due to an ageing population and an increase in those with complex care needs). Council incomes haven't increased by enough to cover this and selling their assets will merely buy them some time. I've also heard many anecdotes of family members being pressured to become full-time carers, even though this would force them to give up their own jobs and rely on Carer's Allowance.

The crisis in social care funding is impacting on the NHS, which was already struggling. Some of the waiting lists are unacceptable and in our area at least, urgent referrals for patients with suspected cancer are no longer on the "two-week-pathway" but a new "28-day-pathway". Also, our local hospital is in a poor state and has needed rebuilding for decades. Successive governments have agreed, but the money has never materialised.

I think we should have discussions about the kind of public services we want. For example, do we want the "Ryanair model" (as I heard proposed by management consultants), whereby taxes are low, and statutory services are extremely limited, but all "extras" are expensive and must be paid for privately? Or do we want the model of high tax but excellent public services favoured by the Nordic Countries?

Edited

When my son worked in Norwegian territory for an international firm he paid Norwegian taxes. They're quite resolute in that way.

TopPocketFind · 24/07/2025 15:20

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/07/2025 14:56

That comment doesn’t help does it? You are sweeping me into a far right bracket because I am a conservative voter. All that does is push people who are politically pretty middle leaning into a far right position which is what is happening all over social media.

So you say Reform is far right but you will still be happy to see them form a government with the Tories?

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 15:21

We want the Nordic Countries excellent public services but dont want to pay for it personally (insert VERY good reasons why the extra tax shouldnt come from you!). We want others to pay. Amazon, rich people, businesses large and small - anyone but me!

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 15:26

PropertyD · 24/07/2025 15:21

We want the Nordic Countries excellent public services but dont want to pay for it personally (insert VERY good reasons why the extra tax shouldnt come from you!). We want others to pay. Amazon, rich people, businesses large and small - anyone but me!

Personally, I'd be very happy to pay more tax for better public services.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 24/07/2025 15:31

justasking111 · 24/07/2025 15:14

The rnli are getting paid for these rescues by the government. It wouldn't be possible otherwise

What's your evidence for this?

Because all the information that I can find suggests otherwise.

Julen7 · 24/07/2025 15:31

IdaGlossop · 24/07/2025 13:30

What a ridiculous statement. While Labour's actions may be deeply unpopular, there is no waging a war on the citizens of the UK.

I’m afraid many people think there is.