Labour voters….

[CurlewKate]

…… what do we do now?

If you’re a Labour voter maybe but it won’t convince everyone hence Reform support growing since the GE.

In case you hadn’t noticed, this thread is addressed to Labour voters. And obviously processing claims faster is the key because the impact of arrivals would be much reduced if they’re processed and leave quickly. Nobody with any common sense can argue with that.

You are quite happy to wade in on threads not aimed at you so stop policing what other people do

Thanks you saved me bothering to say the same.

If you mean your Labour isn’t working one I’ve never posted on it. It would be very rude.

More migrants have been processed and returned back to where? What are the current figures?

On the basis the majority of people trying it on with the small.boats won't be classed as asylum seekers (as they are economic migrants) they probably won't be successfully claiming asylum in an off shore processing centre . Where will this processing centre be?

For the avoidance of doubt, I don’t mind who comments on this thread. I wish I had thought more before I posted though-but it was a horrified reaction specifically to the language Starmer chose to use on the immigration issue. I am reasonably happy with most of their policies and actions-or at least I am prepared to hold fire and see what happens, and obviously there are things to be addressed around immigration. But the fact that a Labour Prime Minister could actually reflect the language of Enoch Powell is horrifying. During the riots last summer, my son in law decided not to join in a trip to a family wedding in the North of England because he was worried that he might be at risk, and possibly put the rest of us at risk.(on the journey, of course, not with our family!) I thought he was over reacting at the time. This summer? Not so sure.

The “small boats” are such a minute % of immigration.

Traditional Labour voters, i.e. the working class, have already abandoned the party in their droves because they were abandoned to chase after the vote of middle class liberals, calculating that the working class had nowhere else to go.

Now the working class are going to Reform Labour are merely making a half arsed plea over immigration.

There's the irony. I can't recall if it was further up this thread, or a different one where I made a comment on a radio programme where the sentiment was that immigration could reduce to zero, and the Farages of the world would still be banging on about small boats and gaining supporters.

Also, Reform are surely capturing disenfranchised Conservative voters more than disenfranchised Labour voters? The council elections are usually a protest vote, so not necessarily indicative of a GE result, so maybe there are more than one might initially think.

Durham result tells you the opposite. Reform are moving in on traditional Labour voters. Labour supporters are pretty now concentrated in metropolitan elites who can afford to bear the brunt of their policies.
Look at Welsh polling at moment + where Reform won in council elections

Home Office figures, 24000 returned up to March 25. Returned to country of origin or last country prior to entering the UK.

Actually, your information is incorrect. The vast majority of small boat arrivals are from Iraq and Iran requesting asylum. Economic migrants do not need to risk small boat crossings. Also, just to add that small boat crossings represent a very small proportion of immigration.

I didn't say there needed to be an off shore processing centre. What I said was that there needs to be an ability for a person to request asylum without needing to be on UK soil. The processing can still take place here, but application can be made from anywhere.

As I said, probably more than one might think, even despite the protest vote scenario.

I think wait for Wales and see and not sure on polling for red wall which most politicians seem to go after.

You presume wrong!

@HappiestSleeping

The vast majority of small boat arrivals are from Iraq and Iran requesting asylum.

That’s a mega journey. Down the Persian Gulf, along the coastline of Oman and Yemen, up the Red Sea and through the Suez Canal, through the Mediterranean and then across the English Channel.

Agree

It really is 😂😂

Obviously, I meant the passengers.

So, Albania has told Starmer they will not take any immigrants from the UK. Maybe he will ask Rwanda next?

I think he’s getting the shit stuff out the way early.

I’m disgusted at the Reform-like rhetoric though - for SHAME Kier!!!

I do hope you’re right @Maddy70

How would scrapping IR35 make it easier for contractors to work away from home?

@AndImBrit

How would scrapping IR35 make it easier for contractors to work away from home?

Costs of:

Travel
Accommodation

Can be claimed as expenses when outside of IR35. If this was not possible, it would not be viable to work away as contractors would incur two lots of accommodation. Their permanent residence and the temporary accommodation whilst away.

Hmmm. They can claim for travel to a non usual workplace just as an employee could … What you’re proposing is largely out and out tax avoidance. Do you think all employees should be able to be paid via a company to reduce tax? Because IR35 only applies if you are really an employee pretending to be freelance via a company structure.

That isn’t quite right. A contractor has no job security or employment rights, no paid holiday or sick pay and under IR35 has to pay the employers’ NI contribution as well as the employee’s. There really should be some reflection of that in their treatment for tax.