Why do people like reform?

[TheGoogleMum]

I haven't been keeping very up to date with politics. I usually vote Labour. I don't really understand the popularity of reform, could anyone explain it to me?
As far as I'm aware Farage doesn't actually do anything when he wins a seat somewhere so I'm not convinced they'll actually do anything? Is it just a protest vote that's gone a bit far?

it’s cozy

the real problem is that the government does not fund services, so that immigrants are competing with exiting residents for overstretched services.

they used to blame the EU but of course we now know that immigration has increased since Brexit and the problem has just got worse.

there is nothing that reform have indicated they support to indicate that they would invest in services and healthcare. They may talk a good talk, but as a limited profit making company they are much much more likely to sell off assets and make people pass for any services they want to access.

if you think things are bad now they would get much better for the very richest (who don’t use services anyway , private schooling and private health to mention only two) and even worse for anyone who cannot pay.

please be very careful what you wish for.

Andrea Jenkyns said it was time for an end to ‘soft-touch Britain’ – kindness, be gone! – and suggested that asylum seekers should be forced to live in tents.

She also wants to cut jobs by 10% and is going to take on the unions.

When asked where the tents would be she was very vague. She also didn't answer when asked about child asylum seekers.

Kindness be gone! - Reform's new slogan?

Wasn't she just saying that instead of 4* hotels here we should do what the French do and use the same type of tents (which are not obviously the ones you would generally go camping in). Why? Are.we saying that the EU's treatment of immigrants is unacceptable?

Where are these tents going to go?

I know the hotels locally that are being used and they are not 4*. One is a Britannia that has gone to the dogs.

I wasn't aware the French used tents to house asylum seekers. Do you have any evidence of this?

Did the French not inform you?

People's gardens? The local park? The school playing field? Washing, toilet and food facilities will also have to be provided as well as security.

Evidently not. You?

Well, I wasn't expecting to be aware of the accommodation used by the French without actually looking it up. Which I suggest you do yourself.

I already know that they don't use tents. You are the one who suggested it, therefore it is on you to provide the evidence.

Whatever system.used by the French should be perfectly fine by us unless we are accusing the EU of unacceptable treatment. Otherwise the 4* hotels just act as a lure to immigrants to make a dangerous channel crossing. Seems fairly logical to me.

I already know they use tents. You are the one who suggested they don't. Although obviously I don't particularly need to convince someone one mumsnet who is a cheerleader for immigration. I suspect we will not have a meeting of minds.

Can you provide evidence that it's French policy to use tents for asylum seekers please?

Simply Google it. If there is insufficient accommodation in an area, tents are used. This can be permitted under Emergency French law. Why is the UK not following the same system and instead using the carrot of 4* hotels to lure asylum seekers over the Channel?

Why also are we busing unaccompanied young asylum seekers to unprepared towns in the North where they can be hidden from the metropolitan Labour voters in the south? We all can see it's happening but the government think they are being sneaky and that no one will notice. At least the tents used by the French means theres an obvious issue that needs solving.

Here's information on France's asylum seeker accommodation. Please point out where tents are part of their policies.
https://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/france/reception-conditions/housing/types-accommodation/

The important elements relating to Andrea Jenkins (apologies if Ive spelt tbat wrongly) is as follows, as I think you have got side tracked.

Please have a look at why the tents are used. Are they allowed by French law? Yes. Do the French authorities use them? Yes. Is this worse than the UK provision? Yes. Could the UK provision of 4* hotels therefore act.as a lure to cross the Channel under dangerous conditions. Yes. Of course.

I don't want to be too invasive but I'm fairly sure I know what your previous incarnation is on here as I recognise your arguing style. You're not one to ever admit that the other person may have point. It's Sunday night and I'm slightly hungover so I will stop here. Just for now!

Please name a 4* hotel that is used to house asylum seekers?

Try and look it up yourself. There are a few listed straight away. If I can do it, you can do it and illegal immigrants can do it.

I completely see why people ask these questions. 4* hotels and taking social housing or rental accommodation from UK kids and giving them to randoms coming over the channel illegally (and financing it) is a hard pill to swallow. But it's clearly happening, in the grim north at least. But as we can see from many things, the north is not so important to the government.

My original point was that Andrea Jenkins was making a statement that giving illegal immigrants a higher standard of accommodation in the UK than that provided by France is counter productive and can lead to deaths in the Channel. Why is that not a reasonable thing to say?

I'm not sure why you keep making personal comments, it's unnecessary.

As usual you fail to answer the question. I'm not getting derailed , I'm responding to you.

Can you point out where the French have a policy to use tents for asylum seekers? I have provided their policy for you so you didn't have to go to the trouble of looking it up yourself.

I believe you're confused. Tents were used in places like Calais for migrants waiting to get across the channel. They weren't asylum seekers as they hadn't claimed asylum.

The French are required by law to provide housing for asylum seekers as we are. They have centres, emergency accommodation and use hotels.

We don't provide four star accommodation to all asylum seekers in the UK.

three random examples of hotels that are used - I didn’t pick and choose, I literally used a random 3 I clicked on the map.

You do realise we’ve already looked them up and know the reason you can’t provide evidence is because it isn’t true.

@Jackrussellsaremad

My original point was that Andrea Jenkins was making a statement that giving illegal immigrants a higher standard of accommodation in the UK than that provided by France is counter productive and can lead to deaths in the Channel. Why is that not a reasonable thing to say?

It's unreasonable because it's wrong. They're not "illegal" they're asylum seekers.

Another reason why i would of voted Reform , For the past 2 years we have housed Illegals in 2 of the hotels near where i live . The Few Children that have come over and it is a Few we have clothed , schooled and fed . The Hundreds of young fighting fit men have caused nothing but trouble and now have burnt down 1 of the hotels they then all got moved to the other hotel were he attempted to do the same thing . I am so Angry 😡 to see my lovely happy safe village where i have lived for 16 years be turned into dump .
As this is happening up and down the country of course people are going to vote Reform and why shouldn't they ?

If they are burning down property they should be deported. Why would we want people like that living here

I looked this up and didn't find any evidence of it.